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Gun control
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gogusrl
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Man, there was an awesome sf short-story that I read a while back about a society where you could sign up to be a "hunter". As a hunter you would receive your target that you could lawfully kill anywhere / anytime. You know who they are, they don't know who you are but have the right to kill you if they figure you out. The catch was that if you killed / injured someone else in your attempts to kill your designated target it would be the death penalty.The second one was that after every kill you would become a target and have survive (kill) your hunter. There were some more restrictions that I probably don't remember but that's the gist of it.
Or forcefields but by then you'd probably legalize lasers and then nuke shit all over the place.
Or forcefields but by then you'd probably legalize lasers and then nuke shit all over the place.
Mist
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Canada is 13th in the world for guns per capita, what the heck are you talking about when you say nobody owns guns in Canada?
No, it's not the retards that would be ruining anything. It would be you people that press the politicians to make these changes at fault. Crazy people can get guns even if they can't walk into a store and buy them; all this would be doing is limiting the rights of certain people. It's feelgood nonsense, not actual security.
Mist
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Yeah that'll work about as well as that no-fly list, only 10x worse and on a much larger scale.
I posted this on another forum but it is a viewpoint that I have not seen here. I posted it in response to someone saying that criminals carry guns, so citizens need guns to defend themselves:
Maybe we just have smarter criminals
The majority of time, a thief will not want to hurt anyone. This is not because the thief is a nice person, but because they know that if they get caught they do not want to add assault charges to the thieving charges. Guns are difficult to obtain for UK criminals, but not impossible to obtain. They choose not to carry guns (most of the time).
I remember a security van being robbed as it collected money from a bingo hall in London (I was across the street). The thieves were armed and shot the armed guards in the van (they did not die).
On another occasion, I remember a group robbed many jewellery stores in the home counties before they were eventually caught. The thieves carried bats (not guns) because they knew that they would not be facing armed resistance, and they did not want to add firearms charges to their robbery charges (if they got caught). Lots of goods were stolen, but no on was hurt in any of the robberies.
Maybe we just have smarter criminals
The majority of time, a thief will not want to hurt anyone. This is not because the thief is a nice person, but because they know that if they get caught they do not want to add assault charges to the thieving charges. Guns are difficult to obtain for UK criminals, but not impossible to obtain. They choose not to carry guns (most of the time).
I remember a security van being robbed as it collected money from a bingo hall in London (I was across the street). The thieves were armed and shot the armed guards in the van (they did not die).
On another occasion, I remember a group robbed many jewellery stores in the home counties before they were eventually caught. The thieves carried bats (not guns) because they knew that they would not be facing armed resistance, and they did not want to add firearms charges to their robbery charges (if they got caught). Lots of goods were stolen, but no on was hurt in any of the robberies.
Again - in the short term this would be the case. But eventually - decades later perhaps, aquiring guns would be increasingly difficult even for criminals. But an outright ban is a lost cause.
But what do you have against common sense restrictions like universal background checks, a ban on automatic weapons and high capacity magazines?
But what do you have against common sense restrictions like universal background checks, a ban on automatic weapons and high capacity magazines?
Mist
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It wouldn't do anything. Punishments don't actually deter criminals, they only deter non-criminals from becoming criminals.
I don't know if this post is directed toward me?
And I don't really have anything against "common sense" restrictions. I'm personally not allowed to legally own a gun because I can't pass a background check, and that kinda sucks because I'm not violent in the least, but many other people diagnosed with mental disorders do become violent. It would be great if we moved away from the concept that guns = necessary security, imo.
Mist
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That would be a good start. You'd also need universal healthcare to pay for it for everyone. We'd also need to have a society that doesn't needlessly turn people against each other for no very good reason. We have one of the most aggressive, anxiety-ridden cultures in the world, and yet, we live in a land of absolute plenty and prosperity, where no competition is actually necessary to survive besides that which we force upon people. No other developed nation is based around cut-throat, winner-take-all culture like ours is. There's a reason Americans have a shorter life expectancy than any other post-industrial nation even once normalized for access to healthcare, and that's because our society breeds anxiety like none other.
Caliane
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I wish it was feasible to take people like this down alive.
Not as a, omg torture them. but again, this is a suicide. They know their actions will have no consequences on them. They are going in planning to die. A likely a fast clean kill with 1-30 bullets to the head.
Know what would really reduce the likely hood of people doing this shit? if they thought there was a 80% chance they will end up in prison, not dead.
Burren
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Not a gun nut, not Republican. Just happen to think rationally, unlike the majority of the sheep in this country.
Loser Araysar
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If anything, school shootings would soar because this would give the shooters what they desire the most: attention, even at the price of pain.
Burnem Wizfyre
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You think they would want to do this if after the torture was over they were left with no limbs, no teeth, no tongue, no eyes, deaf and forced to live with no pain killers in a hospital bed where they fed them just enough to keep them alive? I think that would be a huge deterrent if you combined it with a law that forces a media black out of ever announcing who the person was, no fame and and the rest of your life in what I could only imagine if there is such a place as hell you would welcome it every fucking second for the rest of your life.
Death is to good for some people, you kill children like this, you deserve what I mentioned above.
