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Gurgeh said:
Keto diet might be worth trying for neuropathy.

Nerve injury and repair in a ketogenic milieu: A systematic review of traumatic injuries to the spinal cord and peripheral nervous tissue - PMC

Dietary interventions such as intermittent fasting and the ketogenic diet have demonstrated neuroprotective effects in various models of neurological insult. However, there has been a lack of evaluation of these interventions from a surgical ...
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Most studies looking at it show some sort of benefit. I know someone who had severe pain in her arm for 2 years (thx vax) that got rid of it with a low carb diet.
Worst case is you won't have eaten sugar for a couple of weeks...
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Tried Keto, it really really really fucked my blood numbers up. I asked my then Primary Doc for a good health diet and if it helped my back that would just be a good side effect. He put me on Keto. FF one year and I come back for a check up. Blood work as so bad the Doc that was pushing this diet was talking about putting me on statins, heart meds, and insulin. I said ' how about fuck your Keto diet, and HELL NO'.
 
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Insulin? You went pre diabetic from a keto diet? I don't think you were doing it right...
 
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Insulin? You went pre diabetic from a keto diet? I don't think you were doing it right...
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A lot of people seem to do the dirty keto thing where they just eat tons of fat, sugar alcohols, red meat, dairy, etc. and basically just replace carbs with chemicals.
 
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What do you guys do for sciatic pain or neuropathy BS?

I'm at my wits end, I'm just so tired of dealing with it everyday. Open to any options, or at least experience / knowledge of said problem.

Haven't had cancer, or anything really horrifying, but I got my own stack a problems, and as I'm getting older, are starting to manifest their issues more and more. It's easily one of the things that screws me up on a day-to-day basis.

Orthopedic surgeon I didn't detect anything wrong with my spine pinching nerves or what have you, try to go into a chiropractor but that's a goddamn crapshoot.

I'm just so tired of my feet or my legs going numb, I'm having to sit there and try to do things like a salt bath every evening. I never had these problems prior to the end of 2019, and it just infuriates me, and it doesn't seem like there's a lot I can do about.

Anyways, if anybody's got when I hate to call a life hack, I'll be most appreciative. The constant pain and bullshit and screwing with my relationships with people because I'm just always agitated and angry, now that said individual, but just being on edge.

I'm just looking for whatever fucking solution I can find.

Thank you in advance.
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I fucked up my back lifting about 20 years ago. Since then I'd randomly get debilitating pain on occasion and constant aches any time else. Would get what felt like nerve pain down my legs, but had a clean bill of health from any spinal damage. I'm echoing some recommendations already, but the only thing that finally fixed things was a really good massage therapist. It was some of the most excruciating pain of my life, but I walked out of the appointment with my hips completely back in line and zero pain. Definitely worth a shot.
 
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A lot of people seem to do the dirty keto thing where they just eat tons of fat, sugar alcohols, red meat, dairy, etc. and basically just replace carbs with chemicals.
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I don't know guys, he gave us a list of things to eat and we ate it. When I stopped doing it everything went back to baseline. Not sure what it was worth anyhow, I'd been going in for a physical every year around my birthday since I turned 40. No real reason just wanted to have good general health. Other than the back, no real problems. Multiple doctors, multiple towns, multiple states. They all missed the BIG FUCKING TUMOR IN MY HEAD. In fact , I'd been not 2 weeks from my last physical when I had the seizure where the tumor made it's grand entrance.
 
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A lot of people seem to do the dirty keto thing where they just eat tons of fat, sugar alcohols, red meat, dairy, etc. and basically just replace carbs with chemicals.
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To be fair keto for one year would be difficult, most people stop keto after a while because it's just too hard to maintain. And you're probably not supposed to be in ketosis for months anyway.

But a couple of weeks can be useful, especialy as people that try keto usually end up eating less sugar overall After stopping keto.

Also docs will try to get you on statin, they aren't 'satisfied' unless you have unhealthy low levels of cholesterol. Like PPI overuse, it seems that there some awareness of this now, though.
 
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To be fair keto for one year would be difficult, most people stop keto after a while because it's just too hard to maintain. And you're probably not supposed to be in ketosis for months anyway.

But a couple of weeks can be useful, especialy as people that try keto usually end up eating less sugar overall After stopping keto.

Also docs will try to get you on statin, they aren't 'satisfied' unless you have unhealthy low levels of cholesterol. Like PPI overuse, it seems that there some awareness of this now, though.
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I did Keto for a bit and that was probably the biggest benefit for me. Sweet stuff is just so damn strong since I really dont eat anything with sugar anymore. I was looking for something to take a BC Powder with this past weekend, and my brother had a Mountain Dew. Holy fuck does it just seem like pure syrup now.

I think thats also the problem with Little Debbie cookies for a lot of people. They think the formula has changed.. and it probably has, to an extent, since when they were a child. But their taste buds being so accustomed to sweet and sour shit has to be the root cause for people saying those cookies “arent as good as they used to be.” I feel like if I had an oatmeal creme pie right now, Id be bouncing off the walls for hours.

Also, youre right - Ketosis is supposed to be short term. Doing the diet properly cuts tons of fat off anybody. So quick that it leaves really fat people with large amounts of sagging skin. So I fail to see why anyone would need to do it long term.
 
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Even the "original" keto diet, Atkins, is built entirely around phasing out of ketosis and using it, initially, to create better eating habits which will naturally improve your health.

The whole "losing your sweet tooth" aspect of it is entirely true. Most modern sweet drinks/foods will become cloying and unpleasant after any extended period following a keto diet like Daidraco described.
 
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Appreciate all the info. Quick question.. I work a lot outside in my free time doing farming type stuff, manual labor etc. It gets so hot here that last summer I was probably borderline heat exhaustion multiple times despite downing tons of water. A friend suggested LMNT and I’ve been using it ever since for when I work outside on weekends and it’s been a game changer.

It’s packed with sodium.. How bad is this for my BP? Is it OK to use in the context I am? When doing manual labor in heavy heat?

Ingredients - LMNT | Zero Sugar Electrolytes | Paleo-Keto Friendly Hydration

LMNT Recharge. 1,000mg. Sodium. 200mg. Potassium. 60mg. Magnesium. 0mg ... irritants found in popular electrolyte drinks come at the expense of our health.
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I would be inclined to agree with Fogel Fogel on this - if your only known health issue is (possibly) slightly elevated blood pressure, if you're having one packet after having been out in the sun, then that's probably fine.

If you had heart failure or kidney disease, then the calculus would change.
 
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I would be inclined to agree with Fogel Fogel on this - if your only known health issue is (possibly) slightly elevated blood pressure, if you're having one packet after having been out in the sun, then that's probably fine.

If you had heart failure or kidney disease, then the calculus would change.
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Bro I’m downing like 3 packets on a full days work lol. I’ll try to cut back but it really helps with hydration and energy
 
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You should be careful of not being sodium deficient, a lot of people are because we've been told all our lives that salt is bad. If your kidney is normal, you're just going to piss away fairly quickly any extra. But if you're deficient, it will lead to brain, neurological issues.

Like cholesterol, if you want to live long and healthy you need to take more than your doc is advising.

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Sodium intake, life expectancy, and all-cause mortality - PubMed

Our observation of sodium intake correlating positively with life expectancy and inversely with all-cause mortality worldwide and in high-income countries argues against dietary sodium intake being a culprit of curtailing life span or a risk factor for premature death. These data are...
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You should be careful of not being sodium deficient, a lot of people are because we've been told all our lives that salt is bad. If your kidney is normal, you're just going to piss away fairly quickly any extra. But if you're deficient, it will lead to brain, neurological issues.

Like cholesterol, if you want to live long and healthy you need to take more than your doc is advising.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sodium intake, life expectancy, and all-cause mortality - PubMed

Our observation of sodium intake correlating positively with life expectancy and inversely with all-cause mortality worldwide and in high-income countries argues against dietary sodium intake being a culprit of curtailing life span or a risk factor for premature death. These data are...
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Yea. My mother was all about "salt is bad for you" like a decade ago and then she found the light. Probably one of the reasons black people think white people dont "season dey food."

Heres an interesting product chart from celtic salt, that shows the major difference in sources. Where as if you buy some basic ass, bleached out fucking kroger salt - its not doing the same thing.
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Doctors are all : less meat, cholesterol bad, less salt.
ACM studies : the more meat, cholesterol and salt the longer you live.

Was discussing it with a colleague earlier today, and he an interesting comment, salt is one thing you're noticing immediately if it's lacking. Unlike magnesium, copper or whatever. You know something is missing when there's not enough salt. It's so important, that it's one thing we immediately notice if it's missing. It's not like suggar which is an addiction, you can't eat pure salt, it's disgusting, but eating unsalted food ? not good.
 
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Doctors are all : less meat, cholesterol bad, less salt.
ACM studies : the more meat, cholesterol and salt the longer you live.
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If anything, Covid showed us how lazy and single minded modern medicine has become, on top of issues with pharma/food lobbying. They find a small group affected by something and suddenly declare the entire population should avoid said thing. Old fat people dying of covid? Everyone lock down. Old people with bad hearts having issue with sodium? Everyone stop eating salt.
 
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If anything, Covid showed us how lazy and single minded modern medicine has become, on top of issues with pharma/food lobbying. They find a small group affected by something and suddenly declare the entire population should avoid said thing. Old fat people dying of covid? Everyone lock down. Old people with bad hearts having issue with sodium? Everyone stop eating salt.
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I think it's the same for cholesterol, can you even reach the unhealthy level (300+ TC) without some severe organ disfunction ? Some people should avoid some stuff, depending on their health, but most people would massively benefit from eating more of those goddamn salted eggs.
 
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I think it's the same for cholesterol, can you even reach the unhealthy level (300+ TC) without some severe organ disfunction ? Some people should avoid some stuff, depending on their health, but most people would massively benefit from eating more of those goddamn salted eggs.
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I read studies that showed dietary cholesterol for a normal person only effects their total cholesterol by about 10%, the rest is all genetics.
 
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To be fair keto for one year would be difficult, most people stop keto after a while because it's just too hard to maintain. And you're probably not supposed to be in ketosis for months anyway.

But a couple of weeks can be useful, especialy as people that try keto usually end up eating less sugar overall After stopping keto.

Also docs will try to get you on statin, they aren't 'satisfied' unless you have unhealthy low levels of cholesterol. Like PPI overuse, it seems that there some awareness of this now, though.
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14 years now on Carnavore, you can live just fine on only meat, not sure i could do it tho.

 
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Nutritional "science" is about as flawed as it gets. Humans have survived across the globe in vastly different climates and ecosystems for centuries. Eating what they had access to. It's not like refrigeration was a usable technology for hundreds of years. Yet everyone thinks they've cracked the code on what food is good vs what is bad. It's comical charlatanism.

The biggest offender of all time though is pretending animal fat is bad. That is some next level bullshit, nonsensical logic.
 
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Humans have survived across the globe in vastly different climates and ecosystems for centuries. Eating what they had access to.
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In fairness, being able to survive on damn near any diet is not the same thing as proving what is the longevity-optimizing diet. The science is a confused mess, obviously (mostly around the policy and messaging, the pure research itself is generally appropriately caveated), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep looking for answers.
 
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It's impossible to isolate diet as a contributing factor. Literally impossible.

Why do some lifelong smokers live into their 90s while others die horribly in their 40s? Everyone knows smoking is absolutely terrible for your health but why is their such a huge discrepancy?

Eat actual food, live better and healthier. That's basically the extent of it. There is nothing in this world more idiotic than people refusing to eat fat because they think it's bad for them and then paying for collagen injections. That's fucking retarded.
 
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