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You don't need to craft any class legendaries to be "competitive". I'd say the most necessary ones for their respective classes areTirionand Grommash.
Gavinmad
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That's a good counter argument. The earlier OTK lists did run Grom, it's only the latest list that Neirea put together than didn't run him. It's also generous to call it a competitive deck. Neirea took it to legend during the early GVG days when the meta was still a mess, but in the current meta OTK is terrible. I mean if we're going to list previously viable decks, aggro war took the meta by storm for awhile, but the meta has evolved to the point that aggro war is unplayably bad.
The only consistently playable warrior deck is wallet warrior, and it loses a lot without Grom.
The only consistently playable warrior deck is wallet warrior, and it loses a lot without Grom.
I agree that if you want to take a warrior or paladin to legendary you really should have Tirion or Grommash. If you want to hit rank 10 you can do that with whatever the fuck you want.
I never know what someone means when they say "competitively". Some people just want to get past rank 20.
I never know what someone means when they say "competitively". Some people just want to get past rank 20.
How much does Tirion swing games for you guys? I started playing pally recently and am using sunwalker as a ghetto substitute. I have like 2200 dust, but I'm missing a few commonly used ones like ragnaros, harrison, alex and geddon. My gut keeps telling me to craft rag since he pops up so often, but eh...guess I should probably wait and see how BRM shakes out.
Vaclav
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6/6 with Divine Shield and a 5/3 Weapon when he gets killed - he blows games wide open at times.
Barring some kind of Divine Favor super agro Paladin (which is a fun deck, though not good) Tirion is almost the only reason you see Paladin at the top tiers of ladder. So if you actually want to really play Paladin a lot, craft a Tirion. But class legendaries are only worth crafting if you want to play the class a lot or already have the good neutral ones. So if you're just testing the class out because it is new to you, don't worry about it.
I've dabbled with paladin but mostly just play it for dailies right now, usually hovering between rank 10 and 15 with it using my sunwalker fill-in. I guess I was just curious what people thought of tirion because I always see him mentioned as near mandatory for paladins and I've been really tempted to craft him lately. I have a bunch of other class legendaries (Voljin, Cenarius) that I feel that while they're rad, I could replace them if need be, so I was just kind of curious.
I'm in a place where I have a handful of "complete" decks, but am still missing a lot of the big neutral legionaries and I get crippled by indecision every time I save enough to craft a new one, haha.
I'm in a place where I have a handful of "complete" decks, but am still missing a lot of the big neutral legionaries and I get crippled by indecision every time I save enough to craft a new one, haha.
I guarantee you dont see paladins during prime time, thats all midnight shit.
Face Hunter just destroys any of there decks. Tirion?? You wont even make it that far
Face Hunter just destroys any of there decks. Tirion?? You wont even make it that far
Morrow
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Rend is pretty bad thus far, but if we get a few more cards like Azure Drake, it won't toooo terrible. Shame it's so expensive tho. I can see classes with no hard removal potentially running it.
Rend already has only 4 hp, why not remove the dragon condition from his battlecry?
edit: Quick comparison: Rend Blackhand is 7 mana for 8/4 if you have a dragon in hand, destroy a legendary minion. The Black Knight is 6 mana for 4/5 destroy an enemy minion with taunt. So I guess you can target your own legendary minion with Rend, but that seems silly.
edit: Quick comparison: Rend Blackhand is 7 mana for 8/4 if you have a dragon in hand, destroy a legendary minion. The Black Knight is 6 mana for 4/5 destroy an enemy minion with taunt. So I guess you can target your own legendary minion with Rend, but that seems silly.
Vaclav
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The value to 8 power is quite a big jump from 4...
Looking at druid cards for Druid of the Claw (Taunt) vs. the 8/8 Treant aren't that far apart in stats besides a similar attack bump - (both taunt, +4 attack, +2 HP). And the cost difference is 3, probably one of which goes towards HP.
Assuming they consider "Destroy a Legendary" equivalent to "Destroy a Taunter" in mana cost, he should still likely cost 8 in line with the attack bump. So the minor restriction in having a Dragon in hand probably keeps the cost on him at 7 rather than 8.
Looking at druid cards for Druid of the Claw (Taunt) vs. the 8/8 Treant aren't that far apart in stats besides a similar attack bump - (both taunt, +4 attack, +2 HP). And the cost difference is 3, probably one of which goes towards HP.
Assuming they consider "Destroy a Legendary" equivalent to "Destroy a Taunter" in mana cost, he should still likely cost 8 in line with the attack bump. So the minor restriction in having a Dragon in hand probably keeps the cost on him at 7 rather than 8.
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His attack power is meaningless. All it does is ensure that he kills the chillwind yeti that runs into him.
My problem with Rend is that he's expensive and has very low health. It's the same reason Nesingwary sucks. Finally the list of legendarys you want to kill with him are very limited. Right now some of the most effective decks don't run any legendaries (face hunter) or just 1 or 2 as finishers like Antonidas or Leeroy.
My problem with Rend is that he's expensive and has very low health. It's the same reason Nesingwary sucks. Finally the list of legendarys you want to kill with him are very limited. Right now some of the most effective decks don't run any legendaries (face hunter) or just 1 or 2 as finishers like Antonidas or Leeroy.
Gavinmad
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Eh, the meta should slow down a bit for about a month as people experiment before it speeds back up as people go back to the mathematically superior aggro decks. During that month pretty much anything goes and you'll see a lot of ultra greedy control decks floating around.
Rend will probably still be bad, but the meta will be pretty dramatically different for that first month.
Rend will probably still be bad, but the meta will be pretty dramatically different for that first month.
Vaclav
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Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's good. But I think their reasoning for why he's costed as he is (including the reveal a Dragon clause) can be easily understood.
I think he'll be far too narrow to use 90% of the time and that his low HP makes him a waste of deck space - but I can see why he's costed as he is, etc. - if he had decent toughness he'd probably be 8 or 9 mana without the reveal a dragon clause.
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Obviously he can only be used in a Dragon themed deck which means a lot of decks won't even need to worry about the choice of including him.
Do I think he'll make an appearance in most Dragon themed decks? Yes.
A dragon themed deck will presumably have a lot of large minions. An 8/4 might be easy to remove on his own but could pose a problem if your opponent is running low on resources or he will just soak up removal that would have targeted one of your dragons.
He's obviously useless for a good majority of decks but he'll have his place for sure.
Do I think he'll make an appearance in most Dragon themed decks? Yes.
A dragon themed deck will presumably have a lot of large minions. An 8/4 might be easy to remove on his own but could pose a problem if your opponent is running low on resources or he will just soak up removal that would have targeted one of your dragons.
He's obviously useless for a good majority of decks but he'll have his place for sure.
4 health is trivial to remove from the board for every class but the one that doesn't bother to run legendaries. His very conditional special ability can be accomplished by cheaper means, I don't think even after the meta shakes loose he'll be seen much.