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Gavinmad

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It's one of those cards that basically spirals to a guaranteed win if it sits out more than a turn. So it's hard to evaluate.
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think I'm being premature in dismissing Chromaggus. I think he may actually be better than Kel Thuzad. One big KT turn can generate so much advantage that it effectively wins you the game, but KT is dependent on your board presence and if you don't have a board he's an overcosted Boulderfist Ogre. Chromaggus threatens to bury your opponent in card advantage regardless of your board, and there aren't many easy ways to kill a 6/8 body.

Either way the latest batch of spoilers was finally enough to convince me to preorder.
 

Tortfeasor

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This guy is awesome even without the new overload removal spell. With worst possible RNG he is a chillwind yeti with +1 hp in exchange for an overload.
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Angelwatch

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There's a few ok cards but nothing like Naxx where there were so many auto includes. Emperor seems best but the 6 spot is really busy already.
 

Ravishing

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Seems like a lot of good cards this last batch.

I wonder if the Dragon Consort battlecry stacks, could potentially turn a 9 mana dragon into a 5.
 

Amzin

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Seems like a lot of good cards this last batch.

I wonder if the Dragon Consort battlecry stacks, could potentially turn a 9 mana dragon into a 5.
Considering that it itself is a dragon I don't see any way of achieving that.
 

Gavinmad

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I wonder who decided rathe cycle sligh was a good direction for hunter...
Except that since there is no blocking in Hearthstone, charge creatures are much more valuable than direct damage for face hunter.

*edit*

I just realized we never had a Rerolled tourney in the Vanilla/Naxx/GvG meta, and now BRM is coming out in a couple days.
 

Angelwatch

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Overall I think BRM looks disappointing. They did hold the better cards until the end but there's not a lot that makes me excited. It looks like they want the game to slow down by introducing a lot of "cool" big cards but that won't work. Aggro will run all over these cool cards because there's nothing to slow them down. Remember, the reason the game is so aggro centric is because there is nothing to really punish aggro players right now. Board clears come way too late and they don't clear the board anymore.

Listening to Noxxious after the reveal, he seemed really disappointed and salty (and he does salt good). Even if he's not a pro-level player, he has a very good grasp of the game and he really understands it well. He's just not competitive. His line of thinking is to go Face Hunter for all of BRM and just rack up wins. And I don't think he's wrong.
 

Ravishing

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Considering that it itself is a dragon I don't see any way of achieving that.
Gotcha, I missed that part
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Kolento's Review:

Gang Up: maybe use on Shredder, "card is Garbage"
Twilight Whelp: card is fine but no spot for dragons with priest
Resurrect: Strong card, bad against Hunter. Priest needs something against Hunter.
Druid of the Flame: Good against Priest & Zoo. Unsure about this card. Might be okay, might be bad.
Volcanic Lumberer: Not playable. Druid doesn't have tokens to trade.
Quick Shot: Very good spell. Play 2 in every hunter.
Solemn Vigil: Decent for mid-range paladin. Not for Control Pally. "Probably unplayable."
Dragon Consort: "OP OP", "5 mana 5/5 draw innervate"
Fireguard Destroyer: "Just solid, would play 2 in my shaman"
Demonwrath: Good with Egg. Best replacement for Hellfire in Demon decks.
Revenge: "I don't need whirlwind for 2 mana"
Emperor Thaurissan: "Are you kidding me", very good control card. Sylvanas+Brawl is possible again.
Chromaggus: "I think this minion is bad", too expensive and situational to make it work with Solemn Vigil.
Majordomo Executus: "This is stupid". Can't see it being used in any deck. The Deathrattle is a drawback.
 

Gavinmad

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I think you're misremembering how exciting the Naxx cards were. The big difference here is that BRM is being dumped into a card pool twice the size that Naxx was dumped into.
 

Angelwatch

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Right off the bat, the following Naxx cards were seen to be playable to really good:

Loatheb
Zombie Chow
Sludge Belcher
Unstable Ghoul
Mad Scientist
The Abomination Who's Name Shall Not Be Spoken Now That It Has Been Nerfed
Haunted Creeper
Webspinner
Dark Cultist
Death's Bite

And than there are some cards which fit in pretty solidly for the right deck like Kel'Thuzad, Duplicate, Shade of Naxx and Spectral Knight. Hell even Deathlord isn't terrible in the right deck.

Naxx was a great set with a ton of meta defining cards in it. I simply don't see that with BRM. There's nothing in BRM that I see as a "must have."
 

Angelwatch

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My initial thoughts. I will absolutely get some of these wrong though:

Volcanic Lumberer: Too situational to use. The death to lower cost mechanic (DTLC from here on out) is really hard to use properly to get it to a reasonable cost and it's still a target for BGH and Black Knight. There are better options.

Twilight Whelp: I like the little guy but if you don't play dragons, he's not that good (a leper gnome would be better).

Solemn Vigil: Again the DTLC is a bit clunky. You need 2 things to die before it's a simple Arcane Intellect. Not sure what I'd cut for it when I'd rather LOH instead.

Revenge: Not good in Control Warrior. OK in Aggro Warrior but too unreliable since Aggro Warrior lacks card draw. Also can backfire spectacularly. Whirlwind, Unstable Ghoul and Death's Bite are still better.

Resurrect: As Noxxious says, it's a really good card in a really greedy control Priest deck. You don't want to Resurrect a Northshire. You absolutely want to Resurrect a Sludge Belcher or a Legendary.

Majordomo Executus: It's a "fun" card but I don't see it being used in a competitive deck. It's far too slow and you can't even Hero Power on the turn it comes out without reduced cost mechanics. It's the very definition of a win more card but even then, voluntarily bringing yourself to 8 health is a huge risk.

Quick Shot: Hunters need more direct damage to the face. /nod

Gang Up: It's cute but it does zero for you on the turn you cast it. It has potential since you can use it on your opponents but it's too gimmicky for my tastes.

Emperor: I think he's solid. A 5/5 for 6 mana is right in line and he's got a really good ability. But as I said before, the 6 spot is very competitive as it is.

Fireguard Destroyer: He's good. I like him a lot. I think he might be one of the better cards in BRM.

Druid of the Flame: Not sure I see the point. Druids don't really need early game minions oddly enough since they want to ramp into late game stuff. But she might be a sleeper. I don't ever see her being a 5/2 though for the same reason that Ancient of War is never a 10/5.

Chromaggus: I like him but the 8 mana spot is REALLY crowded with Ragnaros, Sneeds, Kel'Thuzad and class specifics. But if he survives a single round, you're getting really good value out of him.

Demonwrath: Blizzard's never ending quest to make demon decks viable just became a bit more attainable. It's a decent card. It's a cheap AOE to help keep aggro down a bit.

Dragon Consort: Actually not a bad card. 5 mana for a 5/5 isn't too bad. If you go a dragon themed deck, she's going to be really good. But if dragon themed decks don't catch on (don't worry folks, they're not going to after a month), there are better options.

Nefarion: Too slow and too random. You might win the lottery with him or you might get hosed. Either way BGH has the beast in his sights.

Volcanic Drake: DTLC (Death to cost less, remember?) mechanic to try and get him out early. But that 4 health makes him really fragile.

And so on...
 

The Ancient_sl

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Majordomo Executus might as well be a Mage Class card because that's the only possible way it gets played. I could see potentially swapping out Antonidas for it. I'm assuming Alex would let you pump your health up to 15.