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Gavinmad

Gavinmad

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Yeah I think Angelwatch was reading it as he damages your minions when he attacks, not the enemy minions. It's a really strong effect, just not strong enough for an 8/9 drop legendary imo. Endgame legendaries need to have an immediate effect on the board state. In addition to the existing legendaries, Foe Reaper has to compete with Sneed's Old Shredder, which I think is an objectively stronger card and is still only on the very cusp of being playable in constructed.

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Now a more mid-ranged creature with that cleave affect could be absolutely amazing if not priced stupidly.
 
Seananigans

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Oh come on now people. He's not ridiculous, but he's good. "Endgame legendaries have to have an immediate effect on the board state." ?? Ragnaros is the #1 most used "end-game" legendary, and it's fucking RNG. It has an immediate effect, but it's typically 33%-50% likely to NOT have any effect on board state. Ysera has no immediate effect and often needs an EXTRA turn to have an effect. Grom typically requires extra cards/effects on his summon turn to be of much use. And on and on.

I'm no Hearthstone pro, but you guys are being a tad silly.
 
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Even if Ysera is killed right after, you got a card. Even if Ragnaros just does the face, its 8 damage, but usually it kills at least something. Grom might require extra cards, but it definitely has an effect even if an opponent has an immediate answer. On the other hand, this legendary does nothing if your opponent has an answer.
 
Angelwatch

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Seananigans_sl said:
Oh come on now people. He's not ridiculous, but he's good. "Endgame legendaries have to have an immediate effect on the board state." ?? Ragnaros is the #1 most used "end-game" legendary, and it's fucking RNG. It has an immediate effect, but it's typically 33%-50% likely to NOT have any effect on board state. Ysera has no immediate effect and often needs an EXTRA turn to have an effect. Grom typically requires extra cards/effects on his summon turn to be of much use. And on and on.

I'm no Hearthstone pro, but you guys are being a tad silly.
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I agree. You're simply no Hearthstone pro. But you're also completely wrong with your assessment.
 
Gavinmad

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Are you serious? Ragnaros has an immediate effect on the board state. He might hit the wrong target and cost you the game, but he has an immediate effect. Ysera is not played in many decks, but you're guaranteed one dream card, and certain classes have very few answers to her (mainly priest and druid). Grom is a class legendary, not a neutral, so can't really be directly compared to neutral legends, but he's part of a class that has lots of ways to activate his enrage. Besides, he has charge, so even if you can't pre-enrage him, he is capable of immediately doing damage.

Foe Reaper is basically a buffed Boulderfist Ogre, and nine times out of ten I'd rather cast a Boulderfist Ogre on turn 6 than a Foe Reaper on turn 8.
 
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Do you know what board state means? If he hits the other player, he doesn't affect board state. Which is exactly what you deemed necessary for good end-game legendaries.

I agree it's not a great card, but I'd rate it a good card. It might even make it into a deck or two, which is more than you can say about most HS cards. And it will be pretty great in Arena if you ever manage to draft it.

Mostly though, I was just pointing out the meaning of board state.
 
Gavinmad

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Seananigans_sl said:
Do you know what board state means? If he hits the other player, he doesn't affect board state. Which is exactly what you deemed necessary for good end-game legendaries.

I agree it's not a great card, but I'd rate it a good card. It might even make it into a deck or two, which is more than you can say about most HS cards. And it will be pretty great in Arena if you ever manage to draft it.

Mostly though, I was just pointing out the meaning of board state.
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Let me know when you make it past rank 20.
 
Ravishing

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I am personally starting to hate the "win more" phrase.

This card is so far from being a "win more" card.

He's going to be much more sticky than most 8 drops, which is awesome. 6/9 is hard to get rid of! He's probably going to be a great "come from behind" card. Sure there are still going to be hexes/polys/executes but other than that an opponent is going to have a rough time getting rid of him, and if he stays for even 1 turn he can help you get back in the game easily.

I definitely do NOT see him as auto-include like a Loatheb or Sylvanas but I can easily see him being played. Maybe Ramp druid or something. Can replace a AoW with this guy. Druids have pretty shitty AoE clears other than swipe, so it would probably work well in a druid deck.
 
Angelwatch

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Ramp Druid is the only deck I can see him useful in. He's simply too expensive for any other deck and way too slow. You drop him on Turn 8 (using your whole turn to do so) and then your opponent has a full turn to react to it. They might not be able to kill him (9 health does make him sticky) but they don't always need to. With aggro running so rampant right now, you're lucky to make it to turn 8 and a lot of aggro decks love nothing more than a "free" turn where their opponent did nothing to slow them down.

Ramp Druid might use him but they're already pretty top heavy with AOL, AOW, Ragnaros and other big bombs that have an immediate impact on the game.
 
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Caal_sl said:
My first impression was that it'd be a great control warrior card.
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Again, control warrior wants cards with immediate impacts. They're also very top heavy with choices including Geddon, Ragnaros, Grommash, Alexstraza and Ysera. Note that all of those give immediate value where the Foe Reaper does not.

That late in the game you don't want to drop a card and hit pass without anything else going on. If you already have board control, you really don't need him. If you don't have board control, you need something to either finish the game or help get you into a better position. Since he does nothing on the turn you drop him, Foe Reaper doesn't help in either situation.
 
Caal

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I can't tell you how many times I've had Ragnaros be bad for me. "Having an immediate board impact" isn't the end all you think it is. That is an extremely powerful ability. That kind of effect on a card is exactly what deck builders are looking for when trying to attack certain strategies in constructed formats.
 
Gavinmad

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I can't tell you how many times Ragnaros has given me a chance to win a game where drawing Foe Reaper would have guaranteed me a loss.

I hate the 'win more' phrase but it's a perfect way to describe Foe Reaper. It will let you lock down a game where you're already ahead, but there are very few times where it will bail you out of a bad situation.

It's a devastatingly powerful ability but it's way too slow on an 8 cost minion.
 
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I don't think that card will see much play. Agro keeps control decks honest so you can't go too top heavy, and it is much lower impact than other cards at the same mana cost. You'll run those first.
 
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That is definitely not what you'd consider a "win more" card, it can completely swap the board state if it gets a chance to attack. It's very expensive though.
 
Gavinmad

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It's a brilliantly creative card, it's just too slow. If they have an appropriately costed early or mid-range minion with a similar ability I guarantee it will make some kind of impact on the meta.
 
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Gavinmad_sl said:
Cute but ultimately pretty bad.

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Eh, drop the stats a bit and make it 5 mana... we've got something interesting! As is? Worthless.
 
Lleauaric

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Assuming you can get Foe Reaper on the board, you probably already have the game in hand, and your opponent already has used up all of his "Oh Shit" cards, then yeah, its a pretty powerful card.

You are dropping this card, no taunt on it, no instant effect, using up all your mana pretty much for the round and having to wait through you opponents next hand, hoping he doesnt just assassinate, execute, siphon, humility, hex, polymorph, freeze, mind control, shadow word, ect.. and your great payoff is?????? Removing 3 minions.

Adding stealth would make this card work much better. Then it becomes what it was meant to be, a wall buster, clearing out a glut of taunters or stuff hiding behind them.
 
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Lleauaric_sl said:
You are dropping this card, no taunt on it, no instant effect, using up all your mana pretty much for the round and having to wait through you opponents next hand, hoping he doesnt just assassinate, execute, siphon, humility, hex, polymorph, freeze, mind control, shadow word, ect.. and your great payoff is?????? Removing 3 minions.
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No taunt actually makes him more sticky. You can see this card has been specifically designed to eat up as much removal as possible. You either invest a premium removal spell or you're running in multiple minions/spells.

His stickiness is being very underrated atm. I glanced at the reddit thread and many comments agree with my earlier assessment that he could see a good home in a Druid deck. All he needs to do is see play in 1 class deck to be worth it. With all of the really good druid cards requiring removal, adding this guy to the mix is going to be deadly.
 
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