Hearthstone

The Master

Bronze Squire
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I give up. I just can't take it. Hearthstone hates me. Play Kel'thuzad, and what does shredder pop? FUCKING DOOMSAYER. Fuck you game, just fuck you.
This happened to me when I top decked Reincarnate just now. I could have had double KT and locked the game down, but nope. Ended up winning in fatigue (14 turns later).
 

Morrow

Trakanon Raider
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I give up. I just can't take it. Hearthstone hates me. Play Kel'thuzad, and what does shredder pop? FUCKING DOOMSAYER. Fuck you game, just fuck you.
I was playing Mill earlier and my opponent's Shredder pulled a Thalnos, which then allowed me to mill him for an extra 5 damage for the win. RNG sucks. We all hate this game and we can't quit. Maybe we should start a rehab and support group.
 

Mures

Blackwing Lair Raider
4,014
511
But all the bad rng is mitigated by equally good rng, right?

Honestly I'd say over time mine seems fairly average, but what about the outliers? RNG gonna RNG so you know there are people that have had a majority good rng and poor souls that have gotten a majority of bad rng.
 

Gilgamel

A Man Chooses....
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No, it is not mitigated, at least not to the extent you are saying. Outplaying your opponent means making more proper decisions than he does. If you have superior skill the more randomness you add to the equation the easier it is for him to overcome that skill disparity. Blizzard has taken a concept that already had inherent randomness(a CCG) and has taken it over the fucking moon. If it wasn't for the ease of play, the fact it costs me nothing, and the fact that Wizards of the Coast can't put out a functional client I wouldn't touch this piece of shit. Every single game I play just further reinforces that. I hadn't played MTG in a decade and this scratched that itch that I didn't even know I had, but now it's getting beyond the point of being worth it. I get the urge to play, log in, and as soon as something completely retarded happens I just quit the client before the arena run is even over. Making in depth strategic evaluations have their first step start with "well, if this spell that does 3-6 damage does ANYTHING but 3 damage this is the proper play, but if it does 3 then I'm making a terrible mistake and I have no way of finding out until I cast it" it nullifies the game from being something I can take seriously. There's no point in thinking everything out when there are four branching steps that are utterly left in the hand of RNG. Not only that, but you have to play these bullshit cards because they are the most powerful ones, and your random shitty opponent will be playing them and being joyous knowing even though they fail at rudimentary math they can win far more than they should just because the game is designed to reward random asinine decisions.

In fact, the only time this game really is fun is when circumstances put you in the position of being the unskilled fuckwad who lucker dogs into an unwarranted victory. Then you can be gleeful knowing the other person is feeling pain and anger and that you, the lucky fuck, have by the whims of fate shat in their cheerios.

Fuck it, fuck it right in the ass. Anyone who views this as a legitimately competitive video game is a complete fuckstick.
 

Gilgamel

A Man Chooses....
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52
I should, but I'm like 15 expansions behind in MTG and their client sucks and now I want to play a CCG lol. Maybe if I ever run out of gold.

Check 11 minutes:

 

Adam12

Molten Core Raider
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36
There's something like 64 possible 2 drops that the shredder can pop out? If so there was a .15% chance of that happening.
 

AngryGerbil

Poet Warrior
<Donor>
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There's something like 64 possible 2 drops that the shredder can pop out? If so there was a .15% chance of that happening.
Maybe my thinking is all wrong but if there is a 0.15% chance of a thing happening Hearthstone, then that pretty much means it is going to happen, many many many times. If anything I think I might say that the truly exceptional thing is that it happened to a popular streamer while he was streaming.

Or as the great philosophers are fond of saying, "The greatest coincidence of all time would be if there were never any great coincidences."

So I guess my point is... RNGesus?
 

Famm

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
11,041
794
I've had a doomsayer off that fucking thing too. Its probably the only truly bad thing that can happen though. I've gotten recombobulator more than once but that's just sort of disappointing, still ok value.
 

Mures

Blackwing Lair Raider
4,014
511
No, it is not mitigated, at least not to the extent you are saying. Outplaying your opponent means making more proper decisions than he does. If you have superior skill the more randomness you add to the equation the easier it is for him to overcome that skill disparity. Blizzard has taken a concept that already had inherent randomness(a CCG) and has taken it over the fucking moon. If it wasn't for the ease of play, the fact it costs me nothing, and the fact that Wizards of the Coast can't put out a functional client I wouldn't touch this piece of shit. Every single game I play just further reinforces that. I hadn't played MTG in a decade and this scratched that itch that I didn't even know I had, but now it's getting beyond the point of being worth it. I get the urge to play, log in, and as soon as something completely retarded happens I just quit the client before the arena run is even over. Making in depth strategic evaluations have their first step start with "well, if this spell that does 3-6 damage does ANYTHING but 3 damage this is the proper play, but if it does 3 then I'm making a terrible mistake and I have no way of finding out until I cast it" it nullifies the game from being something I can take seriously. There's no point in thinking everything out when there are four branching steps that are utterly left in the hand of RNG. Not only that, but you have to play these bullshit cards because they are the most powerful ones, and your random shitty opponent will be playing them and being joyous knowing even though they fail at rudimentary math they can win far more than they should just because the game is designed to reward random asinine decisions.

In fact, the only time this game really is fun is when circumstances put you in the position of being the unskilled fuckwad who lucker dogs into an unwarranted victory. Then you can be gleeful knowing the other person is feeling pain and anger and that you, the lucky fuck, have by the whims of fate shat in their cheerios.

Fuck it, fuck it right in the ass. Anyone who views this as a legitimately competitive video game is a complete fuckstick.
While I don't particularly like cards such as crackle and implosion the rng in them apparently bothers me much less than if bothers you, lol. And while I said a majority, I misspoke in that it is probably more like a small percentage of players are in the 55-60% "bad rng" range, over a number of games that can make a number of losses I imagine.

I should, but I'm like 15 expansions behind in MTG and their client sucks and now I want to play a CCG lol. Maybe if I ever run out of gold.

Check 11 minutes:

I've had good luck the ogres, but bad luck with the random warrior weapon, funny how "luck" works out.
 

drtyrm

Lord Nagafen Raider
1,991
155
I'd say "Can I have your cards?" but they don't have that functionality.
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Hatorade

A nice asshole.
8,672
7,581
I have gone 1-3 for the past three arenas, I basically pull a decent deck but my last loss was becuase the priest had no less than 6 of that sage that randomly gives another dude 3 health on deathrattle, combined with a power word shield as needed I couldn't do shit.
 

Gilgamel

A Man Chooses....
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52
Nothing wrong with being a filthy spectator. I like watching people play just fine but playing it myself does nothing but piss me right the fuck off.
See I don't enjoy watching this game as I feel there's very little educational/tactical value from it. It's like watching a CS:GO stream or something. At least CS:GO has high level tournaments I can enjoy even though I am a shit shot, I don't really see high level play in this as remotely entertaining. It's fun to play though, or it was when it first came out. GvG has pretty much ruined it for me.

Unless you enjoy watching someone else bitch and moan about luck and RNG what is the draw of watching someone play this? I don't get it. The only interesting thing to me is watching someone else draft who explains their decisionmaking, that is often beneficial.
 

Arbitrary

Tranny Chaser
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87,056
See I don't enjoy watching this game as I feel there's very little educational/tactical value from it. It's like watching a CS:GO stream or something. At least CS:GO has high level tournaments I can enjoy even though I am a shit shot, I don't really see high level play in this as remotely entertaining. It's fun to play though, or it was when it first came out. GvG has pretty much ruined it for me.

Unless you enjoy watching someone else bitch and moan about luck and RNG what is the draw of watching someone play this? I don't get it. The only interesting thing to me is watching someone else draft who explains their decisionmaking, that is often beneficial.
I watched some ESL this week, muted the commentary, made up my own narratives, and had a good time. I get all the playing out of my system by playing along at home with none of the time investment or frustration.
 

Tol_sl

shitlord
759
0
Haha, mill druid is hilarious. I played a mirror match and towards the end we each dropped coldlight oracles, brewmasters, and a naturalize on back-to-back turns while trying to get rid of everything we had in hand. So many cards burned so fast
 

slippery

<Bronze Donator>
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I watched some ESL this week, muted the commentary, made up my own narratives, and had a good time. I get all the playing out of my system by playing along at home with none of the time investment or frustration.
Missing out on all the fun. Frodan + Reynad is fucking hilarious.