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Wow, a lot of notes. I'm really interested to see how Sonya (Wrath skin hype ha), Uther and Nazeebo play out now. How does the BM removal affect Valla's Multi build you think? Still the go to? I like the Falstad and Jaina buffs, they were already starting to see more play good Tyrande changes as well. Some QoL stuff and some minor additions to skins/visuals is also cool in my book.
 
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Morrow_sl said:
Did they not even fix Illidan's bonus unstoppable immunity frames?
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I think they may not change that but rather giving overall better counter-play to Illidan ... or Unstoppable in general. Jaina may be a reliable counter to Illidan now that Chill persists through Unstoppable.
 
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Arch_sl said:
Wow, a lot of notes. I'm really interested to see how Sonya (Wrath skin hype ha), Uther and Nazeebo play out now. How does the BM removal affect Valla's Multi build you think? Still the go to? I like the Falstad and Jaina buffs, they were already starting to see more play good Tyrande changes as well. Some QoL stuff and some minor additions to skins/visuals is also cool in my book.
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Removing BM really hurts the W build. I'm guessing now it is far more a choice between W build and Auto taking Searing at 7. I mean most her damage came from spamming fully talented W's doing like 700+ damage if Arsenals were landing as well. BM basically cut the cooldown of W by at least 1/3 so that is almost just a straight 30% damage nerf to W build. I really like the change.
 
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Official patch notes.
Heroes Closed Beta Patch Notes -- March 24, 2015

Some thoughts:

Anubarak is 4k gold, will probably pick him up.

The Mecha Tassadar skin is the second 'legendary skin'. What was the first legendary skin?

Healing ward nerfed to last longer and heal slower, fine with that.

Azmodan's dunk build capped at 500 damage.

Glad to see that they upped Tyrande's heal amount.

Uther's new Benediction talent sounds awesome, like a mini Rewind for stuns or burst heals. Not sure about his death form only being able to heal, but I like the idea of a 50% rez at level 20. Divine Hurricane radius nerf sucks though.
 
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I thought there were more than one other legendary skin but Infested Tychus is legendary as well. Legendary basically means they get new voice-over work and reskinned ability artwork as well. In Tychus' case his infested odin, infested drill and he throws a baneling grenade along with green tinted Q.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
Wow Nazeebo as we know him got gutted
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He got nerf'd a bit, but I wouldn't say gutted. Innate poison damage will be lower and Ravenous range will be lower.. and will deal slightly less damage.

I'm looking forward to trying the Murky changes out. He might actually be decent now. Falstaad was already pretty good and got a slight boost. Stitches slam build is not really good anymore. Not sure what to make of Uther/Tyrande changes.
 
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I main Falstad and the problem i always run into is either a double stealth ( nova + zerathul ) team or a heavy assasin team like valla / jaina and nova.

Am royally fucked in those situations. They can cap me from 100% hp to 0 in .5 seconds out of nowhere.
Hell even a solo nova can burst me to zero regardless if my dive is up. Now they seemed to have buffed dive a little. Not sure itll change alot facing these combos, theres simply no time to click dive.

The buff will probably be a big help agaisnt Illidan never ending chase.

I think his talent that gives lightning strike a small shield at tier 16 should be slithgly buffed. His dammage isnt the problem, his survival tho...
 
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So is building Naz for spiders the way to go now? There was a pretty good writeup on Reddit the other day about it, not sure if these changes push that more or not. I like the Uther changes honestly, I think I'll be picking up Sonya now and probably Anub if I like him this week (one of the last I need to get to level 5). Mecha Tass really tempting but will likely just stick to the Syl bundle this week.
 
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That reddit post was pretty stupid because it just compared single target vs single target. The benefits of the old Naz build is it had huge single target damage and even huger still area damage.
 
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I'm really glad to see they're doing what i suggested.. i found the very generic skills that multiple heroes have, not being something class specific just for the "fantasy" is pretty lame of blizzard. They're starting to make the abilities belong to the character now, instead of slapping on that boring ass ability that gives no flavor, regardless of the skills being the same.

Sonya is an example of that:As part of this change, Stoneskin and Hardened Shield have been renamed to Nerves of Steel and Ignore Pain in order to help reflect that they are Sonya-specific versions of their Generic Talent counterparts.

I'm hoping they do this for all generic skills like Sprint... they could easily give Uther "Speed of Light" and Nazeebo "Spirit Walk" while still having the same functionality, just to keep the fantasy more interesting.

I also don't think Nazeebo was nerfed all that much.. his poison was pretty crazy when it doubled on heroes.. but his gargantuan may actually be useful now, specially since you can control his stomp ability. That could change a lot of things.

Stitches on the other hand got fucked in the butt with that slam stun nerf.

I don't really get the BM nerf for Valla either.. thats pretty whack.
 
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Changing Stitches' stun to a slow isn't that bad. You can still provide control, you just can't interrupt over a large area anymore. It's similar to Rehgar's totem change, but slam is a bigger area, so it slows less than the totem.
 
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Anub'arak used to be pretty good.. now he is pretty average. His beetles don't do a whole lot and the AI on them is pretty bad. His shield talents always seem lackluster to me. He dies pretty fast, even with the locust ult going. I've seen some people using his web ult pretty effectively, but I almost never get it. He's good at stunning.. but you may as well go with muradin who has a lot more survivability.
 
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I dominate with Valla and I've never once picked BM. It'll be interesting to see how badly losing Unstoppable during Vault is tho. Seems a little whack that Illidan kept his Unstoppable but Valla lost hers. Maybe if she only gained it on the first Vault that'd be okay, but losing it altogether sucks. So maybe the combination of losing BM and losing Vault unstoppable will really screw her over, since my build relies very heavily on Vault and it seems most other Valla's rely heavily on BM.
 
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Just took a look at Sylvanas' talents. I wonder of was fast she'll be able to merc solo as a play style.

She can turn minions to aid her. Do you ultimately lose experience to that?
 
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Tenks_sl said:
I think they may not change that but rather giving overall better counter-play to Illidan ... or Unstoppable in general. Jaina may be a reliable counter to Illidan now that Chill persists through Unstoppable.
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I thought Illidan's counter play was just CC / focus fire, which wasn't really changed in this patch.

On that note, I like how Tyrande's Hunter's Mark can wreck Illidan's day. Always felt thematically appropriate for her to bust his balls.
 
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Draegan_sl said:
Just took a look at Sylvanas' talents. I wonder of was fast she'll be able to merc solo as a play style.

She can turn minions to aid her. Do you ultimately lose experience to that?
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You probably lose xp, but you also probably don't want to use Possession on lane minions. Seems like it would be better to use on enemy mercs.
 
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Needless_sl said:
I'm really glad to see they're doing what i suggested.. i found the very generic skills that multiple heroes have, not being something class specific just for the "fantasy" is pretty lame of blizzard. They're starting to make the abilities belong to the character now, instead of slapping on that boring ass ability that gives no flavor, regardless of the skills being the same.

Sonya is an example of that:As part of this change, Stoneskin and Hardened Shield have been renamed to Nerves of Steel and Ignore Pain in order to help reflect that they are Sonya-specific versions of their Generic Talent counterparts.

I'm hoping they do this for all generic skills like Sprint... they could easily give Uther "Speed of Light" and Nazeebo "Spirit Walk" while still having the same functionality, just to keep the fantasy more interesting.

I also don't think Nazeebo was nerfed all that much.. his poison was pretty crazy when it doubled on heroes.. but his gargantuan may actually be useful now, specially since you can control his stomp ability. That could change a lot of things.

Stitches on the other hand got fucked in the butt with that slam stun nerf.

I don't really get the BM nerf for Valla either.. thats pretty whack.
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I think the renames are to indicate they function differently than the normal generics. At least for Tychus his got renamed because they function differently. I assume for Sonya's it is to communicate "Generally during channeling spells you can't use Stoneskin but for her you can" type deal.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
I think the renames are to indicate they function differently than the normal generics. At least for Tychus his got renamed because they function differently. I assume for Sonya's it is to communicate "Generally during channeling spells you can't use Stoneskin but for her you can" type deal.
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Right, which they could still do with other characters as well down the road
 
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Dudebro_sl said:
According to blizzard logic, this was overpowered on valla but it's totally fine on illidan.
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Yeah, that's exactly what popped up in my mind. Nerfed on Valla completely, but not at all on Illidan? As Valla I am Vaulting around constantly, just like Illidan bouncing, so it's a big deal. Yet they didn't even nerf Illidan's on a single ability.
 
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