Heroes of the Storm

Rombo

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Sylvanas is fragile enough as it is. Its super easy to pin her down, you cant really nerf her banshee escape. Like Needless said, its her passive thats awsome / dare i say OP. The character is built around it tho.
 

Needless

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Yeah, I guess they could adjust it to make so only abilities trigger the stun, which would basically only let her lock down 1 tower at a time. If she gets the talent to make Withering Fire hit 2 targets it could open up the ability to completely lock down towers.

That entirely depends on the Withering Fire target RNG though since if minions are closer it'll prioritize them over the towers/forts etc.

I do think her siege ability is way too strong in the early game though but should be as good as it currently is mid/late game.
 

Dudebro_sl

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She's been on both teams in all my games since she's been out and I can't say I notice her being super powerful. She's just kind of there.

There's posts on the official forums all over the spectrum saying shes super overpowered to balanced to really weak.

Of course this is the same forum where this is currently a thread name: "Your favourite tank, asian, healer or specialist?" so take that with a grain of salt.
 

Needless

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Yeah, i don't really see her as incredibly OP.. but shes very good, and if you let her do her own thing you kind of fuck yourself. However, that can be countered by... not letting her do her own thing lol
I can definitely see them toning down her passive somehow though, in the long run
 

Tenks

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Like I've said the problem is she is just too good at everything. She lacks a clearcut downside. There seems to be a "big 3" when it comes to RDPS and that is push, damage and survivability. She currently excels in all three. Very akin to pre-patch Tychus and a pre-patch W Valla. Like Jaina can burst a ton of damage and (now) can push extremely well. But her only survivability comes in the form of talents. Valla now can do very good damage and has a very good and reliable escape but doesn't push very well. At the moment people are saying the only way to actually deal with the bitch is to gank her from the shadows and CC her from 100-0. Which is exactly what people said about Thrall but Thrall lacked a completely reliable escape and he even had to hug your balls to do damage.

In the hands of someone with good positioning (such as like a Jaina or Raynor main) I could see her being outright unkillable.
 

Rombo

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Range toons i play are Falstad and Valla and her hero to hero dammage really doesnt come close to them. Its a different ball park. Shes good with towers / sieging. You cant have her dive in a fight at all agaisnt other heroes.

If i remember an early video they did of her, shes dancing around an illidan and just fucks him up. This doesnt happen. My stats at the end of a match are weak beside siege dammage. Hell, Hammer usually outshines Sylvanas in everything, if also played smart.

Shes freakin fun to play tho.
 

Morrow

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Ugh. How often do you guys have a loading screen stall out as you are waiting for a game to start? And then you have to force quit and reload. Usually when this happens it stalls at 30% loading, but this time it stalled at 100% and 2 restarts didn't do the trick, it would stick after hitting "rejoin". Edit: It's now done this 2 games in a row.

Range toons i play are Falstad and Valla and her hero to hero dammage really doesnt come close to them. Its a different ball park. Shes good with towers / sieging. You cant have her dive in a fight at all agaisnt other heroes.

If i remember an early video they did of her, shes dancing around an illidan and just fucks him up. This doesnt happen. My stats at the end of a match are weak beside siege dammage. Hell, Hammer usually outshines Sylvanas in everything, if also played smart.

Shes freakin fun to play tho.
See now my Valla always, always has number 1 hero damage in the game, and like 5th out of all 10 on Siege.
 

Mures

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Ugh. How often do you guys have a loading screen stall out as you are waiting for a game to start? And then you have to force quit and reload. Usually when this happens it stalls at 30% loading, but this time it stalled at 100% and 2 restarts didn't do the trick, it would stick after hitting "rejoin".
Me personally? Never. I do have a friend that it happens to every few games though, beta gonna beta.
 

Tenks

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I get the 30% bug every so often. When it sticks at 100% generally that means the game is actually failing to load correctly and no one is playing. Often times if you sit there at 100% for a few minutes eventually it will load everyone in with half the people disconnected.
 

Morrow

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I get the 30% bug every so often. When it sticks at 100% generally that means the game is actually failing to load correctly and no one is playing. Often times if you sit there at 100% for a few minutes eventually it will load everyone in with half the people disconnected.
It's the opposite for me. At 30% it means nobody is playing and by the time I get in, we've all just spawned simultaneously. But at 100%, I finally get into the game after the bot has already chosen my first talent.
 

Lodi

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I don't know people seem to love to go apeshit over the new character and blow their dollars/gold on it instead of waiting 2-3 weeks. If it's like that a month from now I would agree.
I just started the game so I don't know enough about the heroes but I just thought that was pretty funny. She's also really strong in the few games I played as her.
 

Draegan_sl

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I played some Sylvannas tonight. She really doesn't do much damage unless you unload your Q on someone with the Vuln trait on W. Otherwise she's amazing at mercing, sieging, and clearing lanes. Her minion R is interesting. You can use it to hold minion waves, and such but I never upgraded it because I wasn't seeing many enemy mercs in the shitty games I played. Stealing a catapult is nice though.

Kind of fun champ to play, I played her basically with the damage to minions increase, duration of passive increased, double shot on Q and the vuln target thing.
 

Morrow

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Is Sylvannas the first hero to cost so much? Or is it normal for new heroes to start out so expensive? I wish there was some kind of logic to hero prices. I am a bargain buyer. I can't justify 10k gold on a hero when I can get another equally interesting one for lower. All I have so far is Valla and Tassadar though. Thinking Zagura next, because I like his style. Won't buy any heroes above 7000 gold tho.
 

Dudebro_sl

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Heroes are all 15k for the first 2 weeks they come out, then they drop to 10k.

Also, is it just me or is the win 3 games quest basically a curse to get shit non-stop. I'm 1/5 trying to complete it right now lol.
 

Morrow

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Heroes are all 15k for the first 2 weeks they come out, then they drop to 10k.

Also, is it just me or is the win 3 games quest basically a curse to get shit non-stop. I'm 1/5 trying to complete it right now lol.
Is that the pricing logic then? The longer the hero has been out, the lower their price? So will current 10k gold heroes go down one tier next patch, etc?

So what is a good win rate in this game? Like in HS, having a 51% win rate makes you basically pro level. I know HOTS has a shitty matchmaking system, and there is a huge difference between regular and ranked, but is having 48%+ considered good? I'm finally approaching 50% after playing 70ish games. Now that I know the game, my win rate is going up. 38-40 atm.
 

Mures

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Is that the pricing logic then? The longer the hero has been out, the lower their price? So will current 10k gold heroes go down one tier next patch, etc?
No, they do lower hero prices occasionally, but the 15k -> 10k after two weeks is the only guarantee, after that it could be 3-6 months for them to go down another tier or at all. And then its usually the crappy heroes no one is playing so they lower the price to try and get ppl playing them, like anub'arak just recently went down a tier I believe, and I think this might be his 3rd one.
 

Arch

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Heroes are all 15k for the first 2 weeks they come out, then they drop to 10k.

Also, is it just me or is the win 3 games quest basically a curse to get shit non-stop. I'm 1/5 trying to complete it right now lol.
When I get the win 3 I usually just hit 3 fast co-op games to wrap it up in ~40 minutes or so.
 

Tenks

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I was in coop against a master skin Diablo with his purple'ish tint and I seriously thought Blizzard released a Burning Legion hero