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Draegan_sl

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I've done some of my own trim work before and it just looks like hell. No idea why it ends up so hard for me to cut a 45 degree angle properly but it always does.
Actually, you're probably cutting it correctly, but there is now such thing as a straight wall. It's either slanted or curved in some fashion. This is the molding I used at the top of my frame:

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It sits on top of a 1x6 board (actually 3/4" thick). When I put the 1x6 on my wall, the wall is actual bowed out a bit so there is a decent space behind it. If everything was perfect, I would have to cut this as a perfect corner + the width of the 1x6 to complete the corner and into the wall. Except the wall is fucked up and I have to make it a bit longer.

Then you just spend 15 minutes sanding it down until it fits perfectly.
 

OneofOne

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An incredibly naive woman with too much money? The same woman who left each of her three husbands the house they were living in, and bought them a new car, when she left? She's an incredibly naive and trusting person. She gives her credit card to her roommate so the roommate can pay off the bills of her siblings. WTF? Between people ripping her off/conning her, and her being too generous... there's nothing you can do but shake your head. She even offered to pay for our roof when I mentioned I was thinking of doing it myself, a while back. She thought we couldn't afford it and that's why I would do it myself. I would never take advantage of someone like this (though I'm sure many here would), but it gives you some real insight into the ways her wealth has been slipping through her fingers throughout her life.
 

Eomer

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As others have said, perhaps pay a small deposit or arrange to pay them their cost of materials the second said materials arrive at your house. Any more than that and you're just begging to get fucked. In most types of construction, shit is paid 30-60 days from date of invoice. If your contractor can't float the costs of material and/or labor for that long, then there is something seriously fucking wrong and you should run screaming.
 

Heylel

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Well, he hasn't asked for a nickel yet (and my insurance check is literally in the mail). I really wish I could find a good online resource for how this stuff typically works. I've tried, but most of what I've found has been tips for selecting a contractor, not guidance on the actual process of hiring one and seeing the job through to completion.
 

lurkingdirk

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Again, as Mike Holmes says, if your contractor can't float the cost of materials and labour until the job is done to your satisfaction, that's not likely a contractor you want to deal with.
 

Remit_sl

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Actually, you're probably cutting it correctly, but there is now such thing as a straight wall. It's either slanted or curved in some fashion. This is the molding I used at the top of my frame:

naswpwwwcluster-1038kuikenbrotherscsv-imagesKB3651.png


It sits on top of a 1x6 board (actually 3/4" thick). When I put the 1x6 on my wall, the wall is actual bowed out a bit so there is a decent space behind it. If everything was perfect, I would have to cut this as a perfect corner + the width of the 1x6 to complete the corner and into the wall. Except the wall is fucked up and I have to make it a bit longer.

Then you just spend 15 minutes sanding it down until it fits perfectly.
Your stuff looks amazing. That said, white trim and caulk removes all headache.
 

Oldbased

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I think we've decided to move forward with the third bid. I just emailed him this list of questions, most of which I think I already know the answer to but I want in writing:

1. I'm assuming we'll get a detailed contract that breaks out costs for materials & labor into line items. That should allow us to apply savings in one area to another, yes? (Example: If $300 is budgeted for tile, and it costs $250, then that $50 in materials can be applied towards the bathroom vanity or some other area).
2. I'm sure you have vendors for most of the materials that you would recommend, and probably are able to purchase at a lower rate than we are. How should we make tile, carpet etc. selections? What if we purchase materials ourselves?
3. When could work begin, and roughly how long do you estimate for completion? Is there permitting or issuance of insurance certificates that needs to take place first?
4. After reviewing your portfolio we realized that storage and shelf space could be an issue, and wanted to know how much it would cost to add some shelving (kinda like in your image (57).jpg) into the main room. I've marked where we thought might be a good place on the attached floorplan. It's a wishlist item since we're right at our budget right now, but wanted to ask while we were at this stage of the game.

Unless someone minds, I'll probably just keep updating this thread as things go along. I am way outside my area of expertise with all of this, and you guys have been ultra helpful so far.
#1. This is hard to do and just pisses the contractor off more. If there is a budget for a material , obviously he needs to tell you what it is but you must take into account ,mortar, grout, backer board, screws( which cost a small fortune for backer boards, fiberglass mesh tape, caulking, sponges, buckets, bits, tape and it goes on and on. Don't try to nickel and dime your contractor to death. I always leave Tile, fixtures, hardwood and whatnot to the homeowner and not even include it in the bid. Pick it out, pay for it, I'll pick it up. Trying to tell me I can use $10 mortar when I use $30 a bag mortar to save $20 and someone else will be doing the work.

#2. Some places I get discounts, others I don't but go out of my way to get one anyways such as HD/Lowes I look for the 10-20% off coupons, Cox( trim place ) I get 10% others I get nothing even if I spend $20,000 a year there in materials. See above, tile, hardwood, fixtures should always be the homeowners cost/selection. It saves me hassle and you money that way. If I walked on a job and you said I want a 10x10 area tiled. Unless I knew which tile you wanted the tile could run from $.50 a sq ft to $10 a sq ft for tile alone. I would have to charge $10 to cover my ass. It is just much easier on everyone if the homeowner picks out and pays for the materials not common themselves. The contractor should cover normal building materials such as drywall, studs, tape, mud, mortar, things he know he will use and cost of )

#3 Depends on local codes and specifics of work. Always take the time given to finish and add a week to it, cause YOLO.

#4 Now is the time to make changes. Any additional work now should cost far less than having it done later.

Goodluck!
 

Oldbased

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Again, as Mike Holmes says, if your contractor can't float the cost of materials and labour until the job is done to your satisfaction, that's not likely a contractor you want to deal with.
If a contractor on a small scale can float big jobs then he is probably charging too much. Big jobs and big contracts get floated by big companies. In Nashville we would float 20,000 in labor/materials until first draw arrangement.
Usually materials make up around 40% of my bid and I take 25% up front but have materials on site within 2 days of that. Never had a home owner question it or complain, nor have I ever not finished a job to satisfaction I was paid for.

If you think the guy working out of a pickup truck with a helper, but does good work is going to float 8k, better plan on using that guy charging 11k then.
 

Draegan_sl

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Your stuff looks amazing. That said, white trim and caulk removes all headache.
Thanks. And yes, caulk is another art form close to drywalling/spackle. You can really fuck up caulking a molding joint and make it look like a 2nd grader vomited chewed up paste on it.
 

Heylel

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Yeah, what I was asking for was something like: Task - Materials cost - Labor cost - Total. Not every screw and bit of tape broken out. I'm not looking to nickel and dime him, I just want to know what the larger items are costing. His quote said he would provide us with samples of carpet or laminate that would be within budget, so I assume there IS a budget for that item. If we don't like what he's got, and we want to buy our own, I want to know how much that will be coming out of pocket. That's all.

Got another question for you folks. I have a very close friend who bought a home around 8 years ago with the intention of moving in with his then-fiancee. Well, they broke it off and he ended up with a house, and had another friend move in as a roommate. My friend has since moved in with his current girlfriend, and has left the roommate and roommate's new wife living in the home. He's effectively renting it out to them, but there's no contract and he's not turning a profit. In fact, their total rent doesn't even cover the mortgage, so he's reaching a point where he is anxious to sell the property and get rid of it.

The roommate has been there for several years, and in that time has amassed a number of pets. I'm talking 5 dogs and 3 cats, and has a giant terrarium for turtles in place of a kitchen table (yeah, I know). He's not a hoarder, but all of those animals take a serious toll. The carpets and flooring are basically shot, and there is some mold from where the terrarium had a spill over and got into some ductwork, which seeped into the basement. There is some visible water damage from that.

Now, the intent was *always* that the roommate would purchase the home from my friend, hence being allowed to do things like keep all those pets and build a goddamn turtle tank in the breakfast nook. That was an oral provision of being allowed to make that kind of modification. Now, the roommate and new wife and planning to move (they'll get to live rent free as caretakers for her grandfather's property), and it leaves my friend high and dry. He's stuck with a house that is woefully unprepared to be sold, and in dire need of some fairly expensive repairs.

Does he have ANY legal recourse? My concern is that the lack of a rental agreement leaves him totally unprotected in court, and since nothing is on paper about any rent-to-own agreement, there's nothing he can do.
 

Falstaff

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I think he is SOL. You'd think that, if they are that good of friends that he let them live there on a handshake agreement, that they would recognize some of the damage they did and pay to have it replaced or fixed.
 

Heylel

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I think he is SOL. You'd think that, if they are that good of friends that he let them live there on a handshake agreement, that they would recognize some of the damage they did and pay to have it replaced or fixed.
You'd think that, yes. I've known them both for over half my life, they've always been good friends, and he's been saying for a couple of months that he would have the carpet replaced and so forth before they moved, but he hasn't actually done anything of the sort. He supposedly has a few thousand set aside to help with repairs but I'm pretty sure that friendship is over. I hate it for everyone involved, but I would never have allowed that sort of construction or failure to upkeep the property in a renter.

I'll be honest, at the stage of life my peers and I are at, setting up a rental agreement and reporting it as income when you're just living with roommates is a really bad deal. You end up in the hole just for the hassle, so I don't blame him for not having a written agreement. I've had plenty of roommates with whom I never put anything on paper. Once he was out of the house though, there needed to be something in ink. Even just an intent to buy or a promissory note to pay for repairs or removal of the terrarium would be better than nothing.
 

Remit_sl

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Most likely SOL. Did your friend report the extra income properly? If so, depending on the state, he MIGHT be able to get a little something from small claims court. I would make sure your friend did everything properly before kicking the ant hill.

EDIT: I think you answered my question. NEWP.
 

Oldbased

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Ya that is fine, if he has a cost in estimate for those materials then he should be able to tell you a budget if you want your own. Just be clear the price he gives you to work with is exactly for what you want. Does it include pad or is he still supplying that, carpet strips and whatnot. Ask him how many square yards of carpet he needs or square feet with waste for laminate and divide that by price he gives you to know what you have to work with.

As for the other, depends on state law, but doesn't look good. I assume he didn't even have a deposit down. He can sue him but who knows how successful that will be. There is default rules for renters even without a lease. Just because a lease is expired or outdated or cannot be found/done doesn't mean someone can go in a house and trash it to high hell. It would have been much easier had he had one though.
 

Heylel

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Yeah, I know. Like I said, the plan the entire time was that they were going to buy the house. First it was "let me finish school", then "let me find a job", then "let me find a BETTER job", then "let me get past the wedding"... They've never actually covered the full mortgage in any given month anyway, so my friend has basically subsidized them to live there. Meanwhile, he's a one man show running his own business as an artist and working his ass off to keep afloat himself.

If it weren't for the fact that his business is a sole proprietorship, I would honestly say it is better to just take the hit, let the bank have it and deal with the credit fallout for the next several years. If he does that though, he won't be able to get credit to buy a stick of gum for his business.
 

Oldbased

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If the house is over 8 years old though, that carpet is already worn taken care of or not, especially if it is even older than that. Most landlords figure carpet replacement every 10 years or so, and often have to replace it far more often than that. I do upkeep on some property for the restoration business I sometimes do work for. I've seen him put in new carpet/laminate only to have to replace it again in 6 months due to shitty tenants. You could never get me to rent a house. I would go batshit insane.

New carpet would help it sell faster though, or some cheap snaplock laminate flooring he could install himself.
 

Eomer

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Olebass_sl said:
If a contractor on a small scale can float big jobs then he is probably running a decent business that won't go *poof* on you in the middle of the job. If he can't, then you may be left high and dry if the slightest thing goes sideways on any of the other projects he's currently working on, payment wise, and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
Fixed.

Olebass_sl said:
Big jobs and big contracts get floated by big companies.
No one is saying that the entire job gets floated from start to finish. It's called progress invoicing, and it's standard in construction:Progress Billings Definition | Investopedia
 

iannis

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You break the project into stages. I mean that's all a project is to begin with, the sum of a series of jobs. You work/pay a job ahead. It works out better for everyone.