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Noodleface

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I always thought those are a half ass solution but the hvac guys at work spec them lots on smaller deals
Not really half-ass at all. My brother-in-law is an HVAC guy by trade and has been doing this stuff for around 15 years. He says these are the most energy efficient ways to cool a house. His thoughts are if your use is massive and you need a ton of cooling zones and are prepared for ductwork then that's fine, but if you don't want to rip your house apart these are much better. His big thing now is energy efficiency, so he loves these.

Here's my review after several days playing with them.

We have a 1500 sq foot (not including basement) house, so let's pretend it's 750 sq feet per floor. The bottom floor is one large living room with an open concept kitchen. There's also an office with a single door. Upstairs is two bedrooms on opposite sides of the house with a bathroom in between. It's a traditional cape with a dormer, so you should be able to get some idea.

We got one large head unit in the living room (he said 15, so i'm not sure if that means 15000BTU or some other mysterious convention). We got another smaller one in the bedroom. We plan on doing the other side of the house next year. The bedroom and office are usually not used very often although I game in the office. I was very worried that these two units wouldn't be able to cool our house - our house gets extremely hot and stays hot. The unit outside was also a Mitsubishi and was around 3 feet tall, 2.5 wide, 1 foot deep.

The outside unit is extremely quiet even when the AC units are on full blast. I didn't even know it was on until I stood in front of it and was blasted with hot air. Much quieter than central AC systems you see on people's houses. It only is powering two AC units, so that's the reason, but I was definitely shocked. It's flush with the house so doesn't look so bad. The copper piping was hidden behind some white cases that looked like downspouts from gutters. You can definitely notice them but they are fairly unobtrusive. If I had one complaint about this system I do wish that there was a way to run the pipes through the walls. You probably could, but we didn't feel like tearing up our walls for it.

The living room. My brother-in-law turned it on full blast when he finally installed it. The first thing I noticed was the amount of noise, it was almost as quiet as our ceiling fan. The head unit is controlled by a remote control that also acts as a thermostat for the unit. You simply set the desired temp, times (if you want), direction controls, and fan speed and it will just do what it does. When it was first installed we had it on full blast because the house was around 85 degrees. I would say within an hour we were down to 68 degrees in the living room.

My brother-in-law has a heat sensor gun and was able to measure temps throughout the house. Both the living room AND kitchen read 68. This was something I didn't expect as the kitchen was much further away from the unit. It was impressive. The office was still around 74 degrees, but it was off to the side and through a doorway so not much could be done. The beauty of the remote was you can put it anywhere as long as it can communicate with the unit. I believe it is IR and not RF, so it needs some line of sight. You obviously don't want it in the path of the wind, so we put it directly underneath it. Room thermostat confirms the desired temp was hit.

We left these units on auto and they are super duper quiet. You can barely tell they're on. My house has incredible insulation, so I don't think the units need to work too hard, but even if these did they are quiet as anything. On a side note, we had 30 people over on the weekend in the living room/kitchen and I don't think I heard the unit turn on more than 50% the entire time.

The bedroom unit is much smaller and has less of an area to work with. The upstairs gets exceedingly hot (90+) so I was worried, but again here it sits at 68 degrees. Even the other bedroom is in the low 70's despite only having a small line of sight. For a little unit, it takes care of the entire upper floor.

I don't know what our energy bill will be next month, so that will be the proof. We were running no AC at all, so it will definitely be more, but I'm curious as to how much this unit raises my energy bill.

That's about the best review I can give. If you have any questions I can answer them or ask my brother in law.

FYI, for the two units and the outside compressor it was $3600 in parts for Mitsubishi stuff. He told me the labor would have essentially doubled the price.
 

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So I live in a twin.. My neighbor never turns his fucking ac on.. Literally has had it on maybe 5 days all summer. I've had mine on most of the summer bc of the heat waves/ how hot my house gets. He uses his ceiling fans and says it's fine. He's also been away like 4 weeks since June. I just got. $300 electric bill.. Am i crazy or is my ac working overtime bc he never turns his shit on??
 

Joeboo

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You're probably paying a ton because you are in a rental unit and the owner is a cheapass who skimps on extra insulation. Our next door neighbor is a rental home, exact same house and floorplan as ours and their gas/electricity is always $100 a month more than ours. These are 30 year old homes and I'm fairly sure theirs still had nothing but original insulation.
 

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I own it. He owns his side. Pretty common setup in philly. It's just a crazy high bill for keeping my thermostat at 74
 

mkopec

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Insulate bro. Its what I had to do. My shit struggled to keep itself at 76 or 77 on a hot 90F day. I blew some insulation in my attic, the cellulose crap, yeah it was a pain in the ass, messy etc... But so damn worth it. Now my house stays at 72-73 until like 4-5PM and then finally it turns on, and it stays at ~74 on the days we had 90F. My bills are like $50-80 less than last year. Granted we have not had many 90F days here in Mich this summer, but it is noticeable.

Next spring we plan to blow some more up there. I had about 6in of pink shit there. I blew in about 10in ontop and next year were probably going to blow in another 10in. Cost of doing it myself this year? $250-300 and about 6hrs of work.
 

Lejina

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I have an outlet in my dining room that doesn't work. There's just no power to it, as a safety precaution the breaker is turned off, but that would be nice to have it functional.

I unscrewed the faceplate to have a look. Holy fuck. I tested every wires in there and there's no voltage anywhere (with breaker on and every switches around turned on).

Any idea what may be going on here or what the previous owner may have tried to do?

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The Master

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How did you test it? Do you have an actual voltage tester?

The neutral and hot are wired together. That shouldn't be a thing. Hard to tell anything else.
 

Lejina

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Yeah, I have a multitester. I tested every combination of pair of wires in there, both with the sketchy neutral/hot tied and then untied.
The whole package of wires is just dead.

I'm asking here because I just can't come up why someone would setup wires that way.

In that area of the house the only thing that could be younger than that outlet would be a ceiling fan. I figured maybe they rerouted the power from that outlet to the fan, but the fan works regardless if that breaker is on or off, so that can't be it.

I rather not have to take that wall down, but to have a bunch of mystery wires like that isn't cool.
 

lurkingdirk

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Harbor Freight sells an inexpensive signal sender which you can attach to any wire, and then trace it pretty easily. That might be a good next step. See if you can't find something else that is inline with that box. That might give you some insight as to what's going on there. The wires are already run, you shouldn't have to open the walls.
 

The Master

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Yeah, I have a multitester. I tested every combination of pair of wires in there, both with the sketchy neutral/hot tied and then untied.
The whole package of wires is just dead.

I'm asking here because I just can't come up why someone would setup wires that way.

In that area of the house the only thing that could be younger than that outlet would be a ceiling fan. I figured maybe they rerouted the power from that outlet to the fan, but the fan works regardless if that breaker is on or off, so that can't be it.

I rather not have to take that wall down, but to have a bunch of mystery wires like that isn't cool.
Well the weird thing is you have three lines coming in. Normally you'd have two, one carrying power and then you daisy chain it via the outlet to the next line to send power along. So something further along ought to be dead, but you say everything is working. So where are those other lines going? You can puzzle it out by figuring out how your wires are generally laid out, or get a signal sender (though that won't help you if they are all disconnected for some reason).
 

Lejina

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I've had the house for three weeks, so maybe there's an outlet or a light bulb somewhere I havnt found yet that somehow would be next in line with that outlet. I just walked around the entire place, inside and outside, and everything seems to be working. Weird.

I'll give the signal sender a shot whenever I put my hand on one.
 

Picasso3

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Check adjacent outlets for a wire that's unhooked... they may have cut off the line somewhere because there was a short they couldn't fix
 

Picasso3

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The supply is probably the two that are nutted together and but theres probably a reason they're unhooked
 

Aaron

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So I live on the ground floor of a ~50 year old house. There are four floors and one apartment on each floor. The sewage and waste pipes are starting to get a bit shot and need repair, and basically there are two options open to me:

1. Have them coated from within with a plastic coating. Pros: slightly cheaper, the repair only takes a few days, hardly any disruption or damage to my apartment. Cons: Lifetime of the repairs is unknown. I've heard range from 10-30 years. This is a one shot deal, once the pipes get aged again they cannot be re-coated.

2. Have the place dug up, the old pipes removed and new ones installed. Pros: The lifetime is 50+ years, reliable method. Cons: more expensive, I have to move out of my apartment for at least a week, they have to rip up my kitchen and bathroom which will leave a nasty scar that will cost money to have redone.

To be perfectly honest, I'm thinking more of getting them coated - unless someone tells me it's a fucking rip-off and I'm being had. Does anyone have any experience in this department? Any thoughts on which to go for?
 

mkopec

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Hahah, I had a problem like that in my house, except an entire lighting circuit ceased to work. Small bathroom off my laundry room, laundry room lights, and kitchen lights all went dead. It took me 2 weeks to figure out I had a short in one of my canister lights in the kitchen. I crawled up to the attic and started shaking wires and viola! They all went on. Shit can be a pain in the ass. Fucking 1970s house which was wired all to shit.
 

Vinen

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So I live on the ground floor of a ~50 year old house. There are four floors and one apartment on each floor. The sewage and waste pipes are starting to get a bit shot and need repair, and basically there are two options open to me:

1. Have them coated from within with a plastic coating. Pros: slightly cheaper, the repair only takes a few days, hardly any disruption or damage to my apartment. Cons: Lifetime of the repairs is unknown. I've heard range from 10-30 years. This is a one shot deal, once the pipes get aged again they cannot be re-coated.

2. Have the place dug up, the old pipes removed and new ones installed. Pros: The lifetime is 50+ years, reliable method. Cons: more expensive, I have to move out of my apartment for at least a week, they have to rip up my kitchen and bathroom which will leave a nasty scar that will cost money to have redone.

To be perfectly honest, I'm thinking more of getting them coated - unless someone tells me it's a fucking rip-off and I'm being had. Does anyone have any experience in this department? Any thoughts on which to go for?
How soon do you plan on selling?
 

lurkingdirk

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Epic project going on here. Friends of ours have children that are all off to university, and they have this tree house in the back yard. It's 9 feet off the ground, on a huge deck. The tree house itself is 8 x 8 feet, and it has a 3 foot deck on the front and one side, and a 8 foot deck off the back. They said that when they built it about 12 years ago they put in about 4,000$ in materials alone. Now, they just want it gone. So, I'm getting it, and we're putting it in the back yard. Saturday I took the house part into pieces and brought it home. Today I took the slide, which is actually 2 slides put together, to our house. Tomorrow I'm probably going to be taking the deck apart and transporting that. It's all in great shape, and should only cost me about $100 of my own money to put it into my back yard. It's bloody huge.

Here it is in the old spot, looking a little rough, but it's all solid

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Slide on the way home. It was secure, I promise!

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