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Sanrith Descartes

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Unfortunately, I think its going to be like this for the gaming stocks in China. I'll look for opportunities to short. If they can do that to BABA, they can do that to anything.
One difference is WYNN has revenue in the US. It isnt a China stock, it just has exposure there. I am pretty happy at sub-90 cost basis. I'm gonna ride it out for a while.
 
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S&P coming up on the 50 ma, its been bouncing off of this for almost a year now, lets see if it repeats

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This could be the time the gap doesn't fill.
Each prior month selling (usually options expiry week) has been a quicker and more emotional move, followed by dip buyers coming in and taking us back to the highs of the ascending trend range. Rinse and repeat each month. The concern I have here is that the last week's selling has been a more controlled bleed. Feels like the market is bending, but certainly hasn't broken yet. End of the week will be interesting.

Even if we get a break and sell, I am not exactly sure how far we "correct". There seems to be so much money sitting on the sidelines waiting for opportunity. This will have an impact on how much downside we actually see.

On the bright side, happy to be coming out of the summer lull and back into volatility. I need the volatility to make my biggest profits.
 
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Each prior month selling (usually options expiry week) has been a quicker and more emotional move, followed by dip buyers coming in and taking us back to the highs of the ascending trend range. Rinse and repeat each month. The concern I have here is that the last week's selling has been a more controlled bleed. Feels like the market is bending, but certainly hasn't broken yet. End of the week will be interesting.
Right. But I keep getting alerts from Cramer saying have cash on the side and be ready. He's saying thats what the traders are doing. If enough people look at it, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
 

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So... how does one handle it when the jackwagons on WSB decide to actually back a logical play causing potentially irrational stock moves? heh

I have held some URNM for a while now. My belief is that the long term solution to sustainable energy will be nuclear, as solar needs 1 or 2 "generational" efficiency boosts to really be viable, and wind is too variable and we're still discovering the long term costs to operate/maintain wind farms. It's in my "long term holds" portfolio.

But now apparently the Wallstreetbets folks are hopping on the uranium train, and it's been a nice ride so far (up around 86% in the last month) and I'm getting tempted to cash some profit out of something I saw as a "hold for years" situation...

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Still three months out from when I next planned to rebalance that "long term holds" portfolio...
 
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Bought some 16$ SPXU puts for a few weeks out.

Lol, bought WYNN. It's the kind of chart I like (close to 52 week low)
 
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I set about 10 orders to buy/add some stuff. Let's see if we get a real gap down at some point today.
 

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So... how does one handle it when the jackwagons on WSB decide to actually back a logical play causing potentially irrational stock moves? heh

I have held some URNM for a while now. My belief is that the long term solution to sustainable energy will be nuclear, as solar needs 1 or 2 "generational" efficiency boosts to really be viable, and wind is too variable and we're still discovering the long term costs to operate/maintain wind farms. It's in my "long term holds" portfolio.

But now apparently the Wallstreetbets folks are hopping on the uranium train, and it's been a nice ride so far (up around 86% in the last month) and I'm getting tempted to cash some profit out of something I saw as a "hold for years" situation...

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Still three months out from when I next planned to rebalance that "long term holds" portfolio...
I have been in AMD for a long time. When WSB got ahold of it, that made a mess. I sold, I flipped it. But they gain and lose interest greatly every day. My second week in August was horrible because it got so choppy.

If you are holding something they are pushing, don't get greedy, because they can pull the rug out at any time. And you also can't short that stuff for very long either. My second week in August was horrible because AMD got so choppy.
 

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I think I have enough cash on the side. Hell, I feel like most of my portfolio has already stealth corrected.
 

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Some of this might be hard to read if you are on dark view but thems the breaks. Cramer's take on WYNN. They break down the % of EBITDA coming form MACAO and play with various scenarios.

TLDR - Cramer believes it is oversold at $85 a share and is holding it.

Analyzing Wynn Resorts Through a SOTP Lens​


By Jim Cramer and the AAP Team | Sep 15, 2021 1:13 PM EDT



Analysis: WYNN DKNG





With Wynn Resorts (WYNN) being pummeled for the second day in a row by fears of stricter regulations in Macau, something we spoke to in more detail in our alert yesterday here, we want to take a step back and examine what the stock is worth in today's dollars by parsing the business into separate pieces. One great way to do this is to perform a sum-of-the-parts, or SOTP, analysis.


Such an analysis is a valuation methodology used to calculate the worth of a multioperation with varying growth prospects and margins. In a SOTP analysis, we can break a business down into its various operating segments/revenue streams, value each one individually, apply an appropriate multiple based on durability (i.e., resilience against competition) and growth, and lastly, add up the parts to determine the value of the whole.


To be clear, while we are breaking the company up for valuation purposes, we are not saying a breakup is required for value to be created. Instead, we believe this type of analysis that shows how much the different parts of a company are worth relative to the current market price will help club members deal with an emotional position unemotionally.


Given that the pressure can largely be attributed to one operating region, we felt the best way to think about this would be a "Sum of the Parts" (SOTP) analysis, as this will allow us to isolate the problem area and conduct some scenario analysis.


In order to provide some insight into how the market was valuing shares prior to the news out of Macau, we looked to a SOTP analysis published by the analysts over at Citigroup on August 5, 2021, and used this as our base case - the base case being the various metrics used to value the name prior to this announcement. The main metrics we are considering are the EBITDA margin (which we can then apply to the current consensus sales expectations) and the multiple applied to EBITDA (which yields an asset value).


First, here is what Citigroup originally published:


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While not explicitly stated in the model above, we can determine from the figures provided that "Wynn Macau" had an implied EBITDA multiple of roughly 9.3x ($9,094.4 asset value ÷ $977.9 EBITDA = ~9.3)


Next step was to simply get these numbers into an excel spreadsheet so that we could start to perform some scenario analysis. As you can see below, similar model and the numbers largely match up (any difference can be attributed to rounding errors), we simply added in our assumed Macau EBITDA multiple.


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Next, we tweaked the Macau estimates to reflect the current consensus. We must be sure that our estimates in this problem region that has been one step forward, one step back were as up to date as possible.


As we can see below, based on these new assumptions, the analysts are also assuming that the region's EBITDA margin contracts 490bps (from the 29.4% noted above to 24.5% indicated below). If we leave all other assumptions equal, the implied target price declines from ~$140 to $120 per share.


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However, shares are clearly trading well below that implied target price, so, our now question becomes, well what exactly is the market attempting to price in at these levels - i.e., what scenario yields a share price of $85 per share? How much downside is being priced in?


Once we determine that the only question left to answer is whether or not we believe that scenario that has gotten us to this point is in fact what we believe will be the case a year from now. If it is, we may need to rethink this position, if it's not then we are looking at an opportunity as the sentiment has simply become far too negative on this name.


To help determine the current expectations - those implied by the share today's share price, not analyst models (i.e., the buy-side, not the sell-side) we ran some scenario analysis.


First, we took the current revenue estimate (leaving the implied EBITDA margin unhanged) and adjusted the figure in 20 percentage point increments (the difference here $730.59 revenues versus the $731 figure above can again be attributed to rounding on the margin front):


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Now we have some numbers to work with assuming a no impact or a 20, 40 or 60 percentage point hit to revenues.


The next step was to start playing with the EBITDA margin - this will help to factor in additional costs to comply with potential regulations or if the government mandates a percentage of profits be shared with other industries. As can be seen below, we ran the analysis assuming a 450bps, 950 bps, 1450bps contraction to EBITDA margins. These are all meaningful declines.


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The values highlighted above are the EBITDA scenarios we flowed through into the next step, where we then applied various EBITDA multiples to determine new Asset Values for Macau. As you can see, we applied original 9.3x multiplier and scenarios that consider a 1, 2 or 3 turn contraction the multiple - this will provide us a quantitative way to think about market sentiment. In other words, investors are paying less for this revenue stream because of increased regulation and uncertainty around revenues and profits. (We have color coded the base case and 3 additional scenarios to demonstrate how these assumptions play into the share price - which we will see in the next step.)


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Plugging in the numbers above, we can how these assumptions impact share price but first, here is a recap what we've done to achieve each scenario.


Current Base Case: Took the Citigroup model and updated Macau numbers to the current consensus Sales and EBITDA expectations (sourced from FactSet)


Scenario 2: Implies a 20% decline in sales, 450bps contraction in EBITDA margin and 1x downturn in EBITDA multiplier (from 9.3 to 8.3)


Scenario 3: Implies a 40% decline in sales, 950bps contraction in EBITDA margin and 2x downturn in EBITDA multiplier (from 9.3 to 8.3)


Scenario 4: Implies a 60% decline in sales, 1450bps contraction in EBITDA margin and 3x downturn in EBITDA multiplier (from 9.3 to 6.3)


We can see how these various scenarios impact target price below.


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The next question is, which scenario is the market pricing in now? Based on the current ~$85 price at which shares are currently trading, it appears that we are somewhere between Scenario 2 and Scenario 3. So, we played with the Macau Asset Value a bit and determined that an asset value of ~$2,850 yields a share price of ~$85, as we can see below.


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Looking at the various scenarios we laid out above and it appears that the market is factoring a greater than 20% hit to revenues and ~30% contraction in multiple.


More specifically, if we tweak the scenarios a bit, we can see that a 25% decline in revenues (from the current updated consensus), 450bps contraction in EBITDA margin and a 2.9x downturn in the EBITDA multiple gets you to right about that $2,850 Asset Value for Macau as shown below.


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Based on our analysis above, we believe there is a whole lot of downside being priced at WYNN's current price of $85. Essentially, we think the stock price values their Vegas and Boston at a 13x and 11x EBITDA multiples which are very fair for casinos. It values its 58% stake in Wynn Interactive at 4.5x 2023 revenues and that's a huge discount to DraftKings (DKNG) which trades around 19x 2023 price to sales valuation. And as discussed above, we believe it factors in a 25% decline in Macau sales from current 2022 estimates, a 450 basis point hit to EBITDA margins, and a roughly 6.4x EBITDA multiple which roughly half of what we value Vegas.


What's our take from all of this? Investing can become emotional at times but if take a step back and re-analyze the numbers then those feeling can be removed from the equation.


Although regulation by a foreign government is a major uncertainty and is difficult to predict, we believe our Macau assumptions are tough enough to factor in a worst case scenario that is probably unlikely because of how important gaming is to the local economy. As mentioned yesterday, 80% of Macau's government revenues and 55.5% of Macau's gross domestic product comes from gaming.


Given our view that too much downside is being priced in at $85 per share, we are sticking by this position and are looking to buy more because this two-day selloff has created a dislocation of value.




Action Alerts PLUS, which Cramer co-manages as a charitable trust, is long WYNN.
 
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