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It's not super secret, they have tons of AI.
It just isn't a toy that people can directly play with in a browser so there's 0 hype.
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It just isn't a toy that people can directly play with in a browser so there's 0 hype.
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Oh I know they have ai, but from what I've read they are very behind. Also it seems like the very nature of how ai is used would likely destroy their current business model. I'm no expert though, just going off things I'm reading
People saying that ChatGPT is going to replace Google search don't understand how ChatGPT works. It's (mostly) great for information that is already in its data set, but cannot incorporate new information without entirely re-training the model. New website? New product? News story? Forum post? It doesn't exist to chat GPT.
It's obviously going to happen sometime that these tools will dynamically scrape and ingest live data, but we're easily many years out from that reality. The pipeline doesn't exist now and it's not a trivial problem to solve. GPT-3 took about a month and $5M in electricity to train.
It's obviously going to happen sometime that these tools will dynamically scrape and ingest live data, but we're easily many years out from that reality. The pipeline doesn't exist now and it's not a trivial problem to solve. GPT-3 took about a month and $5M in electricity to train.
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Yeah, that's what I've been saying. There's no way to turn GPT into realtime search without risking it turning into Taybot overnight.
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No idea how credible Paul Buchheit is, but this definitely caught my eye: Gmail creator warns Google is 'only a year or two away from total disruption' because of AI like ChatGPT
I'll leave it to others to argue about the difficulty of implementing ai into a search engine, but I guess my point was, after playing around with chatGPT and using it a lot over the last month, I can easily see how what he is saying is true.
I'll leave it to others to argue about the difficulty of implementing ai into a search engine, but I guess my point was, after playing around with chatGPT and using it a lot over the last month, I can easily see how what he is saying is true.
In fairness, I'm sure it depends a lot on use case. I have no idea what fraction of google searches are looking for established knowledge, but it's probably high. And while it might not be technically part of the model I'm sure someone will come up with a plugin that partially integrates traditional search results in a chat framework. Maybe that's better than just using the search directly? Dunno.
Edit: Yeah, that link describes pretty much what I'm talking about. I'm not sure the extra man in the middle is obviously an improvement, but it might be.
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lol ppl don’t understand the difference between a web crawler and ML model. Peak stupid.
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They can buy anyone they want. Dont think for a minute some little AI start-up is going to be fucking them. For that matter some big AI company isnt going to be fucking them. Companies of this size and scale do the fucking. Take a look sometime at how many acquisitions of small companies MSFT has made in the last 30 years.
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I'm curious, since its more of a gamble why not do a spread and cover your bases in case it moves up instead of down?
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GOOGL's big worry isnt GPT per se, its MSFT taking a stake in GPT. MSFT who is a> ginormous, b> a cash cow, and c> has the number 2 competing search engine in the world. MSFT eventually rolling GPT in Bing is what GOOGL should be concerned about. MSFT is one of the few threats to GOOGL that they cant buy.
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I don't think ChatGPT is a threat to Google but I do think it's a huge boon to MSFT. MSFT has been hindered by having a decent-but-unpopular search engine. It now has a new toy. It has already integrated ChatGPT into Teams, and will be integrating it into Word, Outlook, Excel soon, then likely PowerBI soon after that. PowerBI's low-code solutions become no-code solutions. The value that ChatGPT will add to Microsoft's existing product stack will massively outweigh the few billion it will pour into the company.
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It was a small position. Difference between making ~500 bucks and ~700 bucks, more or less.
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I only use Bing. Mainly because I really dont like GOOGL as a company. Bing tends to censor less shit too.
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Bing yes, but also everything else. Microsoft has the best business product stack ever made and almost all of it gets better with ChatGPT. It also has a licensing schema that ChatGPT For Business fits nicely into. AI-enhanced versions of app could be a per-user addon license even.
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I'm curious, since its more of a gamble why not do a spread and cover your bases in case it moves up instead of down?
2 reasons:
1) I use webull so I don't know if I can actually do that but most importantly.
2) I don't really understand how those work so I don't do something I don't understand. Its really that simple. Buy/Sell call and put. Buy / sell stock, I get that.
Calendar spreads, debit spreads etc. To me that's fairly high concept stuff and is pretty complicated and so far I haven't seen something that really explains it really well to me so I just don't mess with them.
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Yeah, FWIW I never said anything about OpenAI fucking anyone, including Google. What I said was that the emergence of useful AI and how it can be integrated into search engines (among other things) will fuck Google if they fail to adapt very quickly. Like you mentioned, everything I'm reading right now is pointing at Bing/Microsoft as the main threat.
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Yeah they will monetize and license the living fuck out of this shit. its my second biggest holding for a reason.
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My bad. You said "dont think for a minute..." and I sort of instantly forgot that part of the sentence and focused on the rest of it.
