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The real bet is whether Elon goes full Howard Hughes while still in the public eye or after he's retreated from it.
 

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The real bet is whether Elon goes full Howard Hughes while still in the public eye or after he's retreated from it.
I'm willing to bet a chunk of change there is a better than 50/50 chance that Elon is on the first manned flight to Mars.
 
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I bought some Tsla (200 shares$)at like 250 on this recent drop. As was explained to me, the data that’s valuable for training robotic AI, Tesla has more than anyone else.
 
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I'll never understand that. All four times he typed it the browser/forum software underlined it in red.

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Quite aside from having read this word probably several mllion times in his life and still misspelling it, the shit was literally underlined in red wavy lines.

But he was just like yolo post reply done

Hey, how do you know he didn't post that from a rotary phone?
 

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I'm willing to bet a chunk of change there is a better than 50/50 chance that Elon is on the first manned flight to Mars.

Maybe, but he will realistically be close to 70 (or older) by the time something like that happens. That's not old in the grand scheme of things but it would be pretty old for such a dangerous/difficult flight.

Not saying it won't happen, just saying he's racing against the clock for sure.
 

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Maybe, but he will realistically be close to 70 (or older) by the time something like that happens. That's not old in the grand scheme of things but it would be pretty old for such a dangerous/difficult flight.

Not saying it won't happen, just saying he's racing against the clock for sure.
Who is gonna tell him no?
 

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Owning TSLA is not for the faint of heart just in the last 3years -42%, -46% -68% , -48% and -56% declines.
 
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Who is gonna tell him no?

No one. I just think he will be smart enough to recognize that an extremely dangerous 2-3 year space journey as a 70ish year old would be a bad idea. Plus, I doubt he would want to give up his control of SpaceX and Tesla for that long-- and give up the opportunity to direct the mission from Earth.

Plus, unless they find a way to allow him to tweet from the Starship, there's no way the guy is going to go 2-3 years without tweeting.
 
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I'm willing to bet a chunk of change there is a better than 50/50 chance that Elon is on the first manned flight to Mars.


Fairly sure that Elon himself has stated that a manned flight to Mars wouldn't be for decades and not likely in his lifetime. You need a ton of supplies on the other end. Eg: dozens of successful missions. And even then there is no tech for any sort of refueling / escape velocity vehicle on the other end to make the return journey.
 

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Fairly sure that Elon himself has stated that a manned flight to Mars wouldn't be for decades and not likely in his lifetime. You need a ton of supplies on the other end. Eg: dozens of successful missions. And even then there is no tech for any sort of refueling / escape velocity vehicle on the other end to make the return journey.
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In September 2024, he posted on X that the first crewed flights to Mars could occur in four years, following uncrewed missions in 2026, setting a potential date of 2028 if the uncrewed landings succeed.

Most recently, on March 15, 2025, Musk posted on X that human landings could begin as early as 2029 if uncrewed missions launching by the end of 2026 go well, though he noted 2031 as more likely.
 
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Grok is full of shit. Use GPT:

Realistically, humans are still at least 10–20 years away from a manned mission to Mars, depending on a number of technological, financial, and political factors. Here's where things stand as of now (2025):


1. Spacecraft Technology


  • NASA’s Artemis Program is focused on returning humans to the Moon by the late 2020s. NASA sees this as a stepping stone to Mars.
  • SpaceX is developing Starship, a fully reusable rocket intended for Mars missions. Test flights have shown progress, but no fully successful orbital missions or reentries have been completed yet.
  • The life support systems, radiation shielding, and entry, descent, and landing systems for Mars are still under development. These are non-trivial hurdles, especially for long-duration missions.

2. Timeline Estimates


  • NASA aims for early 2040s for a crewed Mars mission, though this depends on sustained funding and progress.
  • SpaceX (Elon Musk) has made ambitious claims about launching humans to Mars by mid-2030s, but most experts consider this optimistic.

3. Challenges That Must Be Solved


  • Radiation exposure during deep space travel and on Mars’ surface (thin atmosphere, no magnetic field).
  • Psychological and physical effects of long-duration spaceflight (over 2 years round trip).
  • Reliable landing and ascent vehicles—Mars has a thin atmosphere, making landing heavy spacecraft difficult.
  • Sustainable life support and habitats for the mission duration.
  • Return logistics—Mars missions need a way to get back to Earth, possibly with in-situ resource utilization (ISRU) to create fuel on Mars.

Conclusion​


While robotic missions to Mars are routine, manned missions are still in the preparation phase. Assuming consistent investment and no major setbacks, late 2030s to early 2040s is the most realistic timeframe for the first human to set foot on Mars. Even then, it will likely be a short-stay mission, with colonization or long-term habitation being much further out.
 

Jysin

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Yea, no shit. Elon also promised a roadster, took $250k payments for such, and still no vehicle on anyone’s driveway.

Imagine shelling out all that cash as early as 2017 and the opportunity cost of that money.

Elon has a serious problem with continually over promising and under delivering.

Manned Mars ain’t happening for a decade. Mark this post.
 
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In September 2024, he posted on X that the first crewed flights to Mars could occur in four years, following uncrewed missions in 2026, setting a potential date of 2028 if the uncrewed landings succeed.

Most recently, on March 15, 2025, Musk posted on X that human landings could begin as early as 2029 if uncrewed missions launching by the end of 2026 go well, though he noted 2031 as more likely.
That 100% is not happening. Mid 2030 for crewed flight to Mars assuming everything goes smoothly.

At a minimum launch windows only open up every two years. With Starship not functional yet there isnt going to be a test flight in 2026. 2028/2029 would be the earliest test flight followed by a manned flight in 2031 assuming everything goes perfect. Considering how much Elon loves to over promise on capabilities and how easy it is, I wouldnt bet on 2031.

The absolute insanity is we could have gone to Mars in the 70s very easily with Saturn V. Canceling that is no exaggeration one of the dumbest choices humanity has ever made.
Elon has a serious problem with continually over promising and under delivering.
Dude is one of the biggest hype men of all time thats for sure.
 
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I have said for a while that Elon hopes to be the world's first hyper-pirate. With SpaceX, the Boring Company, and AI he can leverage with Twitter and Tesla he will settle to Mars then default on everything back on Earth. With how overvalued and speculative his ventures are, this is only halfway joking.

That said, I bought some TSLA after the dip because the hype is real. I do agree they have a massive AI base to build on that at least in the next several years should be industry leading.
 

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I had a convo with Grok about our current LLM vs traditional search models discussion and here is what it said. Spoilered for length.

Based on the information available, do chatbots and LLMs such as yourself represent a threat to Alphabet's dominance of the online search market and their online advertising revenue?

Chatbots and large language models (LLMs) like me could indeed shake things up for Alphabet's dominance in online search and advertising, but it’s not a simple yes-or-no story. Let’s break it down.
On the search side, traditional engines like Google rely on delivering a list of links based on keyword matching and complex ranking algorithms. LLMs, on the other hand, can provide direct, conversational answers—sometimes cutting out the need to click through multiple sites. If users start preferring instant, synthesized responses over sifting through links, that could chip away at Google’s search traffic. For example, why search “how to fix a leaky faucet” and browse DIY sites when an LLM can just tell you step-by-step? Companies like xAI (my creators) or others pushing AI-driven answer engines—like what Perplexity’s trying to do—could siphon off some of that market share over time.
Advertising’s trickier. Google’s ad revenue ($224 billion in 2023, per their earnings) hinges on its search ecosystem—ads tied to queries, displayed alongside results or on partner sites. If LLMs reduce reliance on traditional search, fewer eyeballs see those ads. Chatbots don’t naturally lend themselves to the same ad model either; a conversational AI spitting out an answer doesn’t have an obvious spot for a “sponsored link.” That said, Alphabet’s not sitting still. They’ve got Gemini and other AI projects in the works to integrate conversational tech into their own offerings, potentially keeping users in their orbit. Plus, their ad empire extends beyond search into YouTube, display networks, and more—areas less directly threatened by LLMs.
The counterpoint? LLMs aren’t perfect. They can hallucinate facts, lack real-time data without web access (I’ve got that covered, though), and don’t always match the intent-driven precision of a search engine. People still trust Google for quick, reliable lookups, and businesses lean on its ad platform for unmatched reach. Statista pegged Google’s search market share at 91.5% globally in early 2025—hardly a crumbling throne.
So, a threat? Sure, potentially. A knockout blow? Not yet. Alphabet’s got deep pockets, a head start in AI, and a sticky ecosystem. LLMs might nibble at the edges—maybe even force Google to reinvent itself—but dominance doesn’t vanish overnight. What do you think—see chatbots taking over your searches anytime soon?

Odds that we end up with two ecosystems such as a free but ad supported version like Google/Bing and a pay but ad-free version like LLMs?

The odds of two ecosystems emerging—one free and ad-supported like Google/Bing, the other paid and ad-free like some LLM offerings—feel pretty solid, maybe 70-80% over the next decade. It’s a natural split that mirrors how markets often shake out when new tech disrupts the old guard.
Look at the pieces already in play. Google and Bing thrive on the free, ad-driven model—billions of users, monetized through targeted ads tied to search and browsing habits. It’s a machine that’s worked for 20+ years, pulling in $224 billion for Google alone in 2023. People tolerate ads for free access; it’s baked into the internet’s DNA. On the flip side, LLMs like me—or premium versions from OpenAI, Anthropic, or xAI—could lean into a subscription play. Paywalls for ad-free, high-quality answers make sense: no distractions, faster responses, maybe even tailored features. ChatGPT Plus ($20/month) and Claude’s paid tiers already hint at this, and users are biting—especially professionals or power users who’ll shell out for efficiency.
History backs this up too. Media’s split like this before—think ad-supported TV vs. Netflix subscriptions, or free news sites vs. paywalled outlets like The Wall Street Journal. Tech loves a dual-track approach when the value prop differs enough. Free gets the masses; paid gets the picky. Data from Statista shows subscription services growing—global digital content subs hit $300 billion in 2024—while ad markets still balloon (projected $740 billion online by 2026). Room for both.
The catch? LLMs need to prove they’re worth paying for consistently—better accuracy, real-time updates, or niche expertise Google can’t match. If they’re just “good enough” for free, why bother? Meanwhile, Google’s not dumb—they’ll likely bake LLM-style answers into their free tier (see Gemini) to keep users hooked, blurring the lines. Bing’s already dabbling with AI enhancements too. But if LLMs can carve out a premium, privacy-focused, ad-free lane—say, for research or business—they’ve got a shot at coexistence.
I’d bet on two ecosystems, but it’s not locked in. Depends on execution and user habits.