IT/Software career thread: Invert binary trees for dollars.

Don't hop after less than a year. 2 is fantastic. re: React issue above are you using an <input> tag? Or a react abstraction? <input placeholder={etc} /> should render fine anywhere outside of um.. IE8.

Anything over a year is good. The longest I've worked at one place was 4 years (out of the 12 I've been in IT) with most jobs being 2 years about and never had anyone even flinch about it.

Id say stay away from Amazon. Every one I know who's worked for them has hated it. I know you're probably jaded on DoD contracting, but there are really cool contracts out there where you can work on very innovative stuff. I'm just not sure if your area would have any.

Ironically, I got offered a huge raise to relocate to Pittsfield, MA to be an engineer for some Naval system. Sounded nice, except for the Pittsfield part.

sadly FAANG is probably still a write your own ticket to huge salaries, even for 1-2 years tho.

I reached out to a Tech recruiter earlier this week. We need some temp work.

I asked if they had some real, actual salary information for this area. They brought that as well when I met with them.

I am going to sit down with my VP today, armed with that information, and fight for a significant increase for everyone under me. We are way under paying our people.

My VP, I expect, will push back. I'm talking a tune of about 150k in total over 8 people. Thats gonna piss her off. But goddamnit, looking at not only the validation of my suspicion we are underpaying but the extent thereof....I'm not okay with taking advantage of the hardest working group of employees I've ever seen.

Wish me luck, because I may get myself fired on this one.

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2k VDI endpoints rollout in 7 months in higher ed sector followed by 2k more next FY.

This will be fun... mostly the internal politics.

Big_w_powah said:

I reached out to a Tech recruiter earlier this week. We need some temp work.

I asked if they had some real, actual salary information for this area. They brought that as well when I met with them.

I am going to sit down with my VP today, armed with that information, and fight for a significant increase for everyone under me. We are way under paying our people.

My VP, I expect, will push back. I'm talking a tune of about 150k in total over 8 people. Thats gonna piss her off. But goddamnit, looking at not only the validation of my suspicion we are underpaying but the extent thereof....I'm not okay with taking advantage of the hardest working group of employees I've ever seen.

Wish me luck, because I may get myself fired on this one.

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I am pretty sure your employees should be fighting for their salaries. It is admirable a director would, but if they aren't complaining why would your boss want to pay them extra?

Noodleface said:

I am pretty sure your employees should be fighting for their salaries. It is admirable a director would, but if they aren't complaining why would your boss want to pay them extra?

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My team is comprised entirely of two groups of people; people with brand loyalty to the company and have been here longer than I have or the other those whom I hired, had all been laid off from their previous jobs (funny how that works in the Tech sector)..

I'm not sure the old hats with the company have any concept of what they're worth, and I'm pretty sure the ones who had been laid off are scared to push for anything beyond stable employment.

Noodleface said:

I am pretty sure your employees should be fighting for their salaries. It is admirable a director would, but if they aren't complaining why would your boss want to pay them extra?

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Don't agree with this at all really, you have no idea if they "know" they're underpaid until they get a better paying job and are gone.

TBH everyone, employees and management, should have a good idea of market value for their position(s). This is pretty easy to figure out just by having an active linkedin and doing some research. I get mountains of linkedin spam and if I'm not open to a change I'll still respond back with "That sounds good, what's the salary range for the position? I'll need a number from you in your next response to move forward" some of the times and even get numbers some of the time

Yes and no. Nobody has really asked for large raises. However, I can attest to at least one employee being paid 30k under what he's worth, and that has led to him calling into work because he can't afford gas.

Anyway, I walked into the meeting with my VP armed with a bunch of charts and shit.

She knew the idea of the meeting and had done her own independent research.

I am happy to report we are providing 50% of the difference between current pay and market value at the end of the year, with a 5 year plan to bring them up the rest of the way to market value.

This is in the company that pays its other departments, on average, 5-10% above market value.

Let me explain a bit here; Our pay/corporate structure lumps my department under Client Services. The VP of client services came up as a CS rep. She is ENTIRELY non technical. AS such, she had no idea that we were underpaying as direly as we are. She agreed that it was a situation that needed rectifying; My department earns its keep with revenue it brings in, plus provides technical CS. These guys work their asses off and deserve this.

As to me wearing the wrong hat? These guys under me are the goddamn reason I earn my bonuses, the revenue they bring in is the reason we are allowed to operate with mostly autonomy and just get to get shit done. They are the reason I am successful in this position. I will wear any damn hat necessary and go to bat for these guys EVERY damn time.

a_skeleton_03 said:

I so desperately want a new job and a change in my life.

I interviewed with a friend's real small 5 man company and it was an instantaneous yes from them and the offer letter was only $40/hr. I understand that they are small but if they are paying less than government pay I can't quit for that.

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GS13 (I think I've seen you say you are) pay is pretty damn good. You'll probably have to go to Raleigh to get better. If you want to be a contractor at the coolest place on Ft. Bragg, we have openings, but I already know they'll offer less than what you make.

Applying for my old job, but at a different level. Never done this before, not sure how the comany will react

Noodleface coming back to EMC? Welcome back man! We here at Dell/EMC/VMware/Virtustream/VCE/RSA welcome you with open arms. Remember, "We Win Together!"

taebin said:

Noodleface coming back to EMC? Welcome back man! We here at Dell/EMC/VMware/Virtustream/VCE/RSA welcome you with open arms. Remember, "We Win Together!"

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Until DELL EMC throws VMware under the bus again to sell hardware. Just sayin.

taebin said:

Noodleface coming back to EMC? Welcome back man! We here at Dell/EMC/VMware/Virtustream/VCE/RSA welcome you with open arms. Remember, "We Win Together!"

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Well I've applied anyways. If they offered and the pay was right I'd come back happily. Don't know how dell influenced the culture. The job I'm applying for lists bios experience and firmware so hopefully my resume will stick out to them. They did say when I left that id be welcomed back.

Pay would need to be 10%+ over what I make now and at the senior engineer level.

My only worry is I havent done fuck all here outside one major year long project. I'd have to really pretend I did more than I have.