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Kalaar kururuc

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Late to the party: I think you'll be happy with the Dagger, I've not used that particular boat before but the Dagger's I've used have all been good. I've always had a thing for Pyrhana, and would have said to take a look at the Scorch, but the Dagger looks a good 'un.
 
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I was just reminiscing about when I was at university. We had a kayak in the club that started out as a low volume stunt boat, but someone decided to make it even more low volume after it had an accident. They heated up and pushed in the front end to create a concave bow deck, and also gave it an almost flat back deck. There was barely space for your legs, and it almost looked like it had been vacuum formed over the user. We called it "The Flid" as you couldn't walk very well after using it, we'd probably all be kicked out for calling it that in this day and age heh. It was shit for everything but pirouetting on flat water, but it was fun as hell for that.
 
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Kayak arrived this afternoon. As I expected, it’s a pretty tight fit. But, I was able to remove the hip pads to make room left and right, and am going to adjust the knee/thigh hooks to make more room for my thighs, and should be in good shape from there. Fortunately the outfitting is extremely adjustable, I’ll just need to tinker with it some before I get it on the water later this week.

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Looks good, have fun with it. The interiors never fit, I always used to just duck tape pieces of camping mat in for padding.
 
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Petition to just change it to watercraft in general? I should just rent but now that I'm surrounded by lakes I'm kinda jetski curious. I dont fish either but kawasaki about to release some fishing jet ski seems interesting.

Am I going to die in some tractor supply $200 canoe/kayak thing?
 
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Petition to just change it to watercraft in general? I should just rent but now that I'm surrounded by lakes I'm kinda jetski curious. I dont fish either but kawasaki about to release some fishing jet ski seems interesting.

Am I going to die in some tractor supply $200 canoe/kayak thing?
I'm not surprised somebody's finally coming out with a fishing jet ski. My brother and I went down to fishing tackle unlimited here in Houston one evening maybe 5 years ago and it was a guy talking about going offshore fishing using a jet ski. He had his rig there and all of the modifications and stuff that he had made. What's going out and hitting the old offshore platforms. We both thought it was a pretty cool idea and at least one of the kind of see what the deal was.

I'll have to look at the Kawasaki one just to see how it compares to what I remember learning in that little deal. Irish settles a little bit sketchy though, but so is paddling a damn kayak out that far. I do know that he always said that you need to know your weather conditions and if anything looked a bit dicey whatsoever you don't do anything but stay in shore. Pretty much the same deal with saltwater kayak fishing.

As far as drowning in a tractor supply kayak, just avoid them. You can get a very safe reliable fishing boat for a thousand bucks now. After you decided to spend 1.5 to 2K, you can get a really nice boat.
 

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Looks good, have fun with it. The interiors never fit, I always used to just duck tape pieces of camping mat in for padding.
I don’t have a picture of it, but they supplied me with a whole bag full of different sized pieces of foam padding and alternate outfitting. Going to take it out this weekend with the couple of adjustments I mentioned. If I need to tinker with it more, they supplied me with plenty of material to do so.

Will report back this weekend. Super excited about getting into recreational whitewater.

Crazy video I found of some epic white water fails:



As for fishing jet ski, that sounds awesome.
 
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Anyone have much experience with Jon boats? I want to get something a little bigger than my Hobie to fish out of, be able to take my dog with me. Thinking maybe just buy a used, bare bones Jon boat and fix it up, one or two pieces at a time.
 

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Anyone have much experience with Jon boats? I want to get something a little bigger than my Hobie to fish out of, be able to take my dog with me. Thinking maybe just buy a used, bare bones Jon boat and fix it up, one or two pieces at a time.
Yeah just find a used one that's bare Bones. There's not a lot that can go wrong with them unless they're rusted out. We had a couple growing up, and the best was The Coonass 2 my stepdad bought from his boss when we lived in New Orleans and he worked for NASA. I don't know what the brand was, this was back in the 80s, but it was a solid boat. Caught a lot of fish out of that boat over the years growing up. Used to do in short Marsh fishing all the time. Had a steering column installed and everything, maybe a 14-footer.

I think he traded it or sold it for a bigger boat though so the family could go out on the water easier, despite the fact we pack mom my sister and myself and him in on the weekends and tour around bayous.

You can always put decking and installed seat mounts and stuff on the benches further down the road. I guess your biggest expense would just be getting a tiller steer motor, but it's not like you need anything heavy duty to push something that small. Hopefully it has a decent trailer that's not rusted out.

Other thing you could possibly look for is a Carolina skiff that's fiberglass. We've had one of those too and they're great, there's a lot of stuff you can do to upgrade them.

I've no clue what they cost now but what times being tough maybe people are getting rid of them because they're hard up for money. I'd honestly look for a little 14-footer though that should be plenty big for you and another person to fish comfortably, and have ample storage for coolers gas tanks and gear.
 
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Yeah just find a used one that's bare Bones. There's not a lot that can go wrong with them unless they're rusted out. We had a couple growing up, and the best was The Coonass 2 my stepdad bought from his boss when we lived in New Orleans and he worked for NASA. I don't know what the brand was, this was back in the 80s, but it was a solid boat. Caught a lot of fish out of that boat over the years growing up. Used to do in short Marsh fishing all the time. Had a steering column installed and everything, maybe a 14-footer.

I think he traded it or sold it for a bigger boat though so the family could go out on the water easier, despite the fact we pack mom my sister and myself and him in on the weekends and tour around bayous.

You can always put decking and installed seat mounts and stuff on the benches further down the road. I guess your biggest expense would just be getting a tiller steer motor, but it's not like you need anything heavy duty to push something that small. Hopefully it has a decent trailer that's not rusted out.

Other thing you could possibly look for is a Carolina skiff that's fiberglass. We've had one of those too and they're great, there's a lot of stuff you can do to upgrade them.

I've no clue what they cost now but what times being tough maybe people are getting rid of them because they're hard up for money. I'd honestly look for a little 14-footer though that should be plenty big for you and another person to fish comfortably, and have ample storage for coolers gas tanks and gear.
That's about what I figured. No rust, good trailer. Would probably prefer getting a new outboard myself so I don't have to worry about it. Then do the decking myself and get a decent trolling motor.
 
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That's about what I figured. No rust, good trailer. Would probably prefer getting a new outboard myself so I don't have to worry about it. Then do the decking myself and get a decent trolling motor.
Yeah, get an outboard tiller steer, maybe a 25 to 35 horse Yamaha, maybe salt, depending on the length and you're good to go. Slap a Minn kota up on the front and it doesn't even need to be anything fancy, or hell I think we had ours on the back, and it was all manual, none of that fancy foot pedal programmable BS. They're perfect little flats boats, or hunting through the marshes for reds, specs, flounder, etc.

As long as there's just not a giant Rusty hole in it they're pretty much bomb proof, and the perfect canvas to upgrade and make something you'll want to keep for a long time.

Serious about the Carolinas skiff though. If you can find a decent price on one of those I'd be all over it especially if you plan on using it in salt water. They draft very shallow, easy to clean, I'm basically just a better version of a metal Jon boat, and they aren't as loud when you walk around in them in case you're worried about scaring away the fish, which in shallow water is a thing but I'm sure you know that.
 
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TheBeagle

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Will def check out what these Carolina skiffs are. Just want something versatile and low cost for the next few years while I put the kid through college then I'll upgrade to something serious.
 
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Will def check out what these Carolina skiffs are. Just want something versatile and low cost for the next few years while I put the kid through college then I'll upgrade to something serious.
It's a pretty popular brand over on the east coast, I'm going to imagine they've got a tow hold all throughout the South. They've got a bunch of center consoles and stuff like that but they're Jon boat equivalents are pretty affordable or at least they used to be, and really wonderful. I think the Brand's been pretty big for a long time.

Father guys use them for shrimp and boats if they're puttering around in marshes and stuff.
 

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Got out on a bit of mostly flat, moving water that runs through Louisville. I am thoroughly sore and humbled. There’s a lot more to kayaking than I thought lol.

I haven’t had any instruction and didn’t watch or read anything about paddle strokes or technique. Basically just went out there completely virginal. I got proper fucked!

Spent a good portion of the day spun around 180 degrees. Not sure what’s causing it, but somehow the tail is catching water and spinning me. If you look at the tail in this pic you can see it, which explains the slightly panicked look on my face.

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The angle makes it look like the stern is out of water, but it’s not. It’s about to catch some water and soin me 180 counter clockwise.

We had a great time, spent about 4 and a half hours on the creek. I did get frustrated and paddled the flat water rental my brother was using for about an hour and a half. Brother had the same trouble spinning out as I did. He didn’t fall out three times like I did, though.

Definitely have a new respect for white water kayakers. Can’t believe how hard this fucking thing was to paddle straight. Lower back and my left hip both really feeling it right now. I imagine tomorrow I’ll feel it in my arms and core from the paddling.

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Kalaar kururuc

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Most white water boats (like yours) are designed to turn quickly so have a decent sized rocker, to minimise the amount of boat in the water. Good for white water, not so great for going in a straight line, especially as a beginner!

If you've had no instruction I'd recommend you try some still water for the first few time, as moving water will also turn the boat, and if you don't know how to control it you'll get frustrated. If you can face it I would really recommend a couple of introductory lessons, the instructor can point out how to improve your stroke, and safely egress the boat etc.

Another thing is that most people have a dominant hand, for me it's my right, and you naturally pull stronger on that side, which turns you left. Experience will get you to unconsciously account for that. Correct grip on the paddles will also reduce wrist, elbow and shoulder strain. If the paddle shaft is round it isn't always obvious where to hold your hands. Some people prefer their hands in line, myself I hold paddles at about 12 and 2, with my left hand slightly more rotated than my right (like you it seems from the photos) and that's why sone paddles have grips that are elliptical.
 
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Thanks for the reply! I am definitely not opposed to paying for instruction. Will have to see if there’s anywhere I can get some lessons in Louisville. Lots of people recommend the Nantahala Outdoor Center for beginners in the southeast to learn at, and that may very well be the closest place I can go for lessons. Six hour drive though.

I knew my kayak wasn’t ideal for the stretch of water we were on, just didn’t realize how much of a struggle just going straight would be.

With regards to hand position: I honestly would’ve told you I was gripping the shaft evenly, wrists at the same angle, had you asked me. Clearly the pictures show differently. Fortunately the paddle I ordered seems to be tailored to the offset position; I bought a right hand control 30 degree feathered paddle.

I will almost certainly be out again on flat water before I get any lessons. Need to find some YouTube videos of the basics before then, I think. Ordering my skirt in the next couple days. Once I get my roof rack situated I’m gonna try to learn how to roll in my cousins pool. That’s gonna be a serious struggle, I’m sure. Even just emptying the kayak of water after a spill took way longer than I expected.

Still excited to learn more and really get into the sport, but that first day out there was definitely humbling.
 

Kalaar kururuc

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Another couple of comfort items:

You'll eventually build calluses in the crooks of your thumbs, but until then you may end up getting blisters, which you end up repeatedly tearing. A pair of cheap neoprene gloves might be useful if you're on the water decent stretches of time. And I said cheap because you will wear holes in that same area on the gloves.

Depending on your hand size, and your paddle shaft diameter, a roll of waterproof tape may be a good investment. You can bulk up the paddles in the area of your hands, so you're not squeezing your hands too tight and causing finger strain. I used duct tape because I'm cheap, but some people go fancy and use the grip tape you have on bike bars, although you can probably buy paddle specific tape too. Hard to describe on the interwebs, but you'll get what I mean when you hold any item like paddles, or a bat, or a golf club.