League Of Legends

Drtyrm_sl said:

Totally incompetent.

What? 67 Million players?

Guess they are just lucky.

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They have, and have had, the most established and well known moba that will also run on a toaster for 5 years. They have the most popular competitive scene to support it. What they don't have is any recent evidence that they have any fucking clue how to utilize their position and turn their game itself into a better product for their players. I don't see how that's remotely arguable.

I actually use custom games a lot these days to mess around with different champs and builds. Mostly because no dobtvhave time for a full game or think im going to be interrupted.

I would love a sandbox mode. I'd use it a lot.

Fawe_sl said:

I like this game but Riot as a company do seem rather incompetent. I think it has to do with their size and focus. They care more about eSports and they have become very inefficient due to growth.

I can see Replays being hard but they could just implement a record feature client-side like lolreplay and keep the data off the servers.

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Unless you only wanted to record from your perspective, that would mean sending full game data to the client system and making map hacks and things of that nature quite easy.

Full damage control mode, engage! Pwiff is gonna sprain something with all these gymnastics he's having to do.

What % of LoL's player base would use a sandbox mode? I have this feeling that Riot's market research may have more info than our forum.

I would use it rarely but I would use it. A good sandbox mode is super versatile and there'd be a lot of reasons to dick around in it - learn a new champ, practice last hitting / jungling, try out weird item builds and champion interactions. The first couple could be used by practically anyone once in a while, other reasons you start to get into niche / high level stuff.

They have some form of sandbox internally already, so it SHOULDN'T even be a long-term project to get something into the wild. But with their god awful project management and dev process who knows.

I can think of a few walls and areas I would practice the shit out of flashing/dashing/rolling/ulting over/through.

I could finally master putting that damn Scarra ward from dragon pit into tribrush actually, it would be worth it just for that

As i see it, using a sandbox would be more boring, more efficient but more boring than playing.
This leads to more people getting tired of the game and leaving.

I see the move as a correct one.

Ridiculous. With the level of mechanical difficulty they are adding to a lot of heroes and abilities not having a mode to practice timing shit like flash lee kicks or gragas flash flops is just dumb.

chantmaster_sl said:

As i see it, using a sandbox would be more boring, more efficient but more boring than playing.
This leads to more people getting tired of the game and leaving.

I see the move as a correct one.

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You are out of your fucking mind. Might I introduce you to the fighting game community? Hell, scratch that. Might I introduce you to the concept of PRACTICE? You know, it's that thing you do to get better atanything.League of Legends is a game that can put some pretty substantial mechanical demands on its players and to just come out and say they are not going to be adding a way of efficiently practicing difficult maneuvers makes them look less like a modern gaming operation and more like a buggy whip factory.

Someone should send Combofiend a telegram and explain to him that SF5's robust training mode is going to result in people getting bored and leaving. The very idea that I have to defend the merits ofpracticeis almost more than I can withstand. Are you people really this goddamn stupid?

Yea the argument that practice is boring is fucking absurd. I also saw monte say that only 20% of NA actually plays ranked games. Thats pretty hilarious actually, I had no idea the playerbase was so casual. Maybe is the way they have ranked set up, its pretty harsh.

It's almost like Riot knows the playerbase is overall pretty casual.

Regardless even casuals playing normals might want to practice flashing walls etc.

A game as large and as successful as League of Legends with as big of an international competitive scene as League has is going forward with no training mode and no replays in the year of our Lord and Savior 2015 and there are actually people out there defending their decision to not include what has been regarded basic functionality in other e-sports for years.

But hey, there's a new Riven skin coming out! Reach for the stars, Riot. Reach for the stars.

Yup, can't do training mode or replays because of the effort put into skins. :eyeroll:

Is that what you think I meant? I'll clue you in.

"Why would we bother putting effort into replays and training mode at all when skins like Arcade Riven stack paper up to the ceiling?"

If their Chinese masters told them that the only fruit they can pick are the ones that hang the lowest this would all make sense.

So.... why exactly can't you guys practice all this "crazy mechanical requiring" shit that you want a sandbox for... in a bot game?

Would be nice to have. I can't count the number of times I lost a fight or a game straight up while attempting to do shen flash taunts, Vargas flash flops, or insecs. Now I can do them naturally but it was rough going through the learning process.

Edit: because practicing things like flash taunts in a bot game still has lots of downtime between attempts wizardhawk. So not really enjoyable to sit around doing nothing in a bot game for thirty minutes to get five attempts at a sensitive maneuver. Whereas in sandbox I could spam the practice for thirty minutes straight.

Or when working on item builds. I could spend an hour plus playing to try out two or three different builds for damage potential under conditions i can't control. Or I could set up a target dummy not and rattle off six different item builds in ten minutes for comparison.