Big Phoenix
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Yeah and? Thats called life(and jealousy). Do you also get upset when everyone cant master quantum mechanics, climb everest, or model for victoria secret?
Libertarianism - the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
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Scandinavian style socialism.
Can we now once again consign the Libertarians to the stupid step for 6 months?
Sebudai
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Yeah nothing pisses me off more than honesty. Fair point.
I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that the "ship" is currently "sinking." Not because I refuse to believe it's sinking, but because I just plain don't believe it's sinking.
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My main point being, facing significant problems is no reason to elect some radically different, extremist candidate. I mean,how did doing that work out for Germany?!(Godwin'd, son!)
Was the ship sinking during the Civil War? During the Great Depression? During WWII? During the Cold War? The country will always face problems. This is no reason to elect some wackjob dipshit like Ron Paul just because he's "different." I don't want radically different. I want solutions to our problems.
Was the ship sinking during the Civil War? During the Great Depression? During WWII? During the Cold War? The country will always face problems. This is no reason to elect some wackjob dipshit like Ron Paul just because he's "different." I don't want radically different. I want solutions to our problems.
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If he ran here, I'd probably vote for him.
I know nothing of Scandinavian style socialism, but I'm already intrigued.
That's because
a) You're not one of the ever-growing number of people feeling the effects (yet).
b) You don't care that your rights and freedoms are being compromised.
c) You don't care about the damage America is doing in the rest of the world and what the consequences of that might be.
It's all right, though. Like Araysar, you're entirely justified in not giving a shit about any of that. Why should you? You still have your XBox. Enjoy your bubble.
Like Numbers said, that can only be true if there is more than one ship. There isn't. I mean, it certainly isn't sinking for the 1%, but they've been directing the ship from the safety of their beachfront plazas for years.
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You have no idea what I see, who I am, or frankly, what is going on "on the ground" in my country. I've lived in poverty, in America. I have family still living in it. What you are proposing, adopting RonPaulLibertopia, is the goddamn definition of "risk." I could lose my job tomorrow due to the sequester, and yet I would still think you are full of shit.
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a) Yes I am. Ron Paul's policies would do nothing to help me*at best*.
b) It depends on the right or freedom in question, and in some cases I probably do care, I just also possess the ability to prioritize.
c) Yes I do.
Also, I don't have an XBox.
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Would this be the damage countries like Canada is tacitly partaking in, and paying for, by using our currency as a global stabilizing agent built on the backs of our "world ruining" military and economic interventionist policies? I'm just curious where your bubble ends.
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I'm not trying to convert everyone into a Ron Paul supporter, I'm just tired of being shit on because I believe a flawed solution is better than no solution, which is incidentally what everyone else suggests (unless this Scandinavian socialism thing pans out). Ron Paul's a done deal now, I don't really give a shit what any of you think of him, but I will continue to defend my point of view if I keep being provoked about it (I'm sure you've noticed I've tried several times to change the subject).
I agree that Ron Paul's solutions would have involved risk, I do. I just don't understand why you don't see sticking with a severely broken system that we all agree is only getting worse is not a worse risk. I say "risk" hesitantly, because "risk" implies a chance of success, but there is no chance of success the way things are going now. I was being half-sarcastic when I said you were all just hoping the problem would fix itself but I'm starting to think this is really what you think is going to happen.
a) OK, so, like Chaos, you're solution is to wait for the problem to fix itself?
b) I guess this is a difference between you and me. I get pissed no whatever what rights are taken away from me, even if they're rights I've never used and have no intention of ever using. As far as I'm concerned, my rights are non-negotiable and I don't want to see where opening that door will lead.
c) Well, as much as you think Ron Paul would have fucked things up, he very likely would have gone a long way in repairing America's relationship with the world. None of the other guys, not a single one, seems even remotely interested in doing so.
Yes, this would be the damage I'm talking aboutexactly. I sure as fuck don't think Canada's system is a beacon of responsible governance.
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Canada has a privately owned central bank, Canada is complicit.
p.s talking in pictures is the lowest form of communication
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Bro, get this: I believe your "solution" is bullshit. This is not a binary situation, it isn't Ron Paul or "just hope the situation fixes itself." I choose Not Ron Paul. Because his ideas are bad and he should feel bad.
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a) No, but policies that are theoppositeof solutions are worse than policies that just aren't thebestsolutions, e.g. Obamacare vs. Ron Paul's Mad Max vision for America.
b) Why? Government inherently restricts individual "rights." Are you pro-anarchy? I doubt it, and if you're not, there are obviously some "rights" you're perfectly happy to give up. Any of the "rights" I've lost during my lifetime amount to very minor annoyances at worst. Slippery slope!1!1 blah blah blah... I don't care. I can prioritize the things I care about when it comes to politics.
c) I can make a cost/benefit analysis, and he would've gone too far. The few potential upsides of Ron Paul's policies in regards to foreign policy do not makeup for the many downsides of the rest of his policies. Obama might not go far enough for you, but for me he's a gigantic improvement over Bush in regards to foreign policy.
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Let's be real, the reason things are getting progressively worse for the middle and lower class is because an entire political party actively opposes any and all solutions that they can't get credit for. A lot of Obama's positions are actually more in line with the Republicans of the 80's and 90's than the Dems. But because he would get the credit, Republicans fight him tooth and nail on 'solutions' that they once supported. But come on, there are still tons of opportunities for not dumb people to bootstrap themselves.
As someone who worked as a garbage man, loader and driver i can tell you the effort put in is minimal. I worked for a small company that handled one town and we did not have the tippers or arms everything was done by hand.
I would also like to know where the outrage about EFM was when Granholm did it numerous times or when Blanchard signed the law. A republican puts a city that has no means of ever getting out of its own mess under EFM and a school district and its the end of democracy as we know it. Sure he may have had to put forward new people for some cities and schools done by previous governors but he only initiated EFM twice.