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shitlord
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To try to contend that 10 years ago they started a documentary with a set agenda.... Yeah, right. Or, maybe they're the real murderers and this is all a huge cover up, because they're just that fucking good at manipulating the public.
First thing Film Makers number one job is to manipulate the public. They manipulate emotions to drive the narrative etc etc. A storyteller is the master manipulator.

Manipulation in this case is not a negative term. Manipulation the way you used it is 100% negative

Over the 10 years of this trial. The original point A) of an unjust system was the original focus, you can see it in the opening of there Film Series quite clearly. They have the first case to work off of while building this 2nd narrative. There is no way to tell what their motivation is for the 2nd trial. Did they believe Steven from the start? Were they just there to Document the whole event solely for a film, and no other reason. I bet they didn't even know. 10 years of documented film is shit ton of footage, and most Film Makers don't know how there film will shift till it is fully edited.

To have an unjust system you need to have a Victim to Exonerate, and that Was Steven. If all the Film Makers did was wipe out the first unjust crime then they have at least taken Rape off the table, because Steven wasn't convicted of Rape in the second trial

Later it is painfully obvious the focus had shifted again to the Nephew. There is whole segments devoted to him throughout the film including those last two episodes. If you really think the Film Makers hope that this series will not help that boy you are delusional.
 

Jive Turkey

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There were little editing techniques and reaction shots that were clearly intended to portray the prosecution in a certain light (particularly during the courthouse reporter scenes). Doesn't mean the evidence shown wasn't objective, but at the very least it shows the filmmakers intentionally crafting a narrative
 

chaos

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Of course they are. The documentary is entitled "Making a Murderer ", they are explicit about the narrative they are presenting.
 

chaos

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Bro you're so fucked up in this thread you can't even remember who you're arguing with.
 

Jive Turkey

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This page has been loading like garbage for the past hour and I didn't see your avatar. Apologies.
Though it has been a bit of a neckbeard hoard, so I might've actually lost track to some extent (but I'm guessing from Moshpit Town, you might have some idea of what that's like)
 

Chukzombi

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there should be no arguing in this thread since we all agree that avery whether he actually killed TH or not got railroaded by the county and should get a new trial or straight up exonerated.
 

Sylas

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People still get confused on Innocent VS Not Guilty. It does not matter at all what evidence wasn't shown. The documentary has nothing to do with his innocent or guilt. The documentary is about some poor hillbilly retard getting railroaded by the criminal justice system, fucking twice. From what was shown in the documentary the only reasonable verdict was Not Guilty, extreme reasonable doubt due to prosecutorial and police misconduct.

Tomorrow a fucking hidden camera video recording of Steven Avery dragging the chick out to her car, throwing her in the back of it (so her blood gets in there), taking her out to the woods, shooting her in the back of the head and leaving her dead body and car there could magically turn up, undeniably proving his guilt, and the result is the same. His conviction is still a miscarriage of Justice and should be vacated, He was still Not Guilty of the crime they framed him for and he should be granted a retrial. (Obviously it would be a swift verdict the 2nd time around if there was a video, and everyone involved in the first trial should still go to prison for the frame job the first time around)

What the documentary's "Bias" is asking the following, to the judge, prosecution, and viewers at home:

How the fuck did you allow the Sheriff's dept to participate in the investigation? They have a clear conflict of interest and coincidentally they "found" all the evidence?
How the fuck did they find a magic bullet sitting on the floor of his garage in plain view, despite days of searching after all the clean, unaffiliated police found nothing?
How did you allow the prosecution to present the completely invalid DNA evidence that it had her DNA on it?
See magic bullet above but apply to the car key that magically appeared in plain view in his trailer?
(Not shown in the documentary but was shown in the trial) How did you allow the prosecution to present completely invalid DNA evidence that Avery's sweat was on the hood latch of her car?
How did you allow the FBI analyst to testify that it was there job to get the police off the hook, and falsify his testimony about the reliability of his test he just invented specifically to get the police off?
How do you allow the police to fucking Hoyer the burn area and randomly shovel shit ruining the crime scene where the bones were found?
How do you let the prosecutor poison the well with a complete bullshit coerced "confession" from a retard?

The only forensic evidence that should of even been allowed to be presented is the Steven Avery blood in the car, of which the police must answer how the fuck did someone break in to the evidence locker, tamper with the blood vials they had on hand, and stick a syringe in his vials of blood?

Hell even the car itself and it being on his property should of been thrown out, since it's clear that detective Colbourn (defendant in the $36mil civil lawsuit) found the car 2 days before it was "found".

The only forensic evidence that should be allowed: Her car had her blood in it. It had some of Steven's blood in it under very suspicious circumstances. With the conflict of interest there's not even enough to press charges against him or take him into custody. Now get the fuck out of the way and allow a real police department to do a real investigation and actually find a murderer.
 

Miguex

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People still get confused on Innocent VS Not Guilty. It does not matter at all what evidence wasn't shown. The documentary has nothing to do with his innocent or guilt. The documentary is about some poor hillbilly retard getting railroaded by the criminal justice system, fucking twice. From what was shown in the documentary the only reasonable verdict was Not Guilty, extreme reasonable doubt due to prosecutorial and police misconduct.

Tomorrow a fucking hidden camera video recording of Steven Avery dragging the chick out to her car, throwing her in the back of it (so her blood gets in there), taking her out to the woods, shooting her in the back of the head and leaving her dead body and car there could magically turn up, undeniably proving his guilt, and the result is the same. His conviction is still a miscarriage of Justice and should be vacated, He was still Not Guilty of the crime they framed him for and he should be granted a retrial. (Obviously it would be a swift verdict the 2nd time around if there was a video, and everyone involved in the first trial should still go to prison for the frame job the first time around)

What the documentary's "Bias" is asking the following, to the judge, prosecution, and viewers at home:

How the fuck did you allow the Sheriff's dept to participate in the investigation? They have a clear conflict of interest and coincidentally they "found" all the evidence?
How the fuck did they find a magic bullet sitting on the floor of his garage in plain view, despite days of searching after all the clean, unaffiliated police found nothing?
How did you allow the prosecution to present the completely invalid DNA evidence that it had her DNA on it?
See magic bullet above but apply to the car key that magically appeared in plain view in his trailer?
(Not shown in the documentary but was shown in the trial) How did you allow the prosecution to present completely invalid DNA evidence that Avery's sweat was on the hood latch of her car?
How did you allow the FBI analyst to testify that it was there job to get the police off the hook, and falsify his testimony about the reliability of his test he just invented specifically to get the police off?
How do you allow the police to fucking Hoyer the burn area and randomly shovel shit ruining the crime scene where the bones were found?
How do you let the prosecutor poison the well with a complete bullshit coerced "confession" from a retard?

The only forensic evidence that should of even been allowed to be presented is the Steven Avery blood in the car, of which the police must answer how the fuck did someone break in to the evidence locker, tamper with the blood vials they had on hand, and stick a syringe in his vials of blood?

Hell even the car itself and it being on his property should of been thrown out, since it's clear that detective Colbourn (defendant in the $36mil civil lawsuit) found the car 2 days before it was "found".

The only forensic evidence that should be allowed: Her car had her blood in it. It had some of Steven's blood in it under very suspicious circumstances. With the conflict of interest there's not even enough to press charges against him or take him into custody. Now get the fuck out of the way and allow a real police department to do a real investigation and actually find a murderer.
you make so much sense here but went full mongo in the Star Wars thread. Which one are you?
 

Sylas

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Good sir I make sense always. It's ok if you have terribly low standards for film.
 

popsicledeath

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This page has been loading like garbage for the past hour and I didn't see your avatar. Apologies.
Though it has been a bit of a neckbeard hoard, so I might've actually lost track to some extent (but I'm guessing from Moshpit Town, you might have some idea of what that's like)
Did you just apologize after all but admitting you're simply here to troll and argue based on avatars as opposed to anything actually said. Classy!
 

Cad

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Did the "Avery is obviously guilty and the doc is biased and omg I'm retarded" people come up with any actually incriminating evidence yet?
 

Khane

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I don't see how anyone could. Anything that doesn't actually show Avery in the act of killing or disposing of the body can't be considered credible evidence because all the evidence was gathered by people who aren't credible.
 

Chanur

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Did the "Avery is obviously guilty and the doc is biased and omg I'm retarded" people come up with any actually incriminating evidence yet?
Lots of name calling and very little evidence to back them up.
 

Slaythe

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I don't think he committed this crime but there's also nothing that tells me he for sure didn't. There was reasonable doubt for sure and the legal process here was a shit show. That's the real take away.

But none of us know what actually happened.
 

Cad

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I don't think he committed this crime but there's also nothing that tells me he for sure didn't. There was reasonable doubt for sure and the legal process here was a shit show. That's the real take away.

But none of us know what actually happened.
Very rarely do we know for sure what happened. Thats not the question at hand sir.
 

Slaythe

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Very rarely do we know for sure what happened. Thats not the question at hand sir.
I get that, but the thread is all over the place. Are we arguing about the verdict or what we think actually happened?

I definitely don't think he should have been found guilty in that trial. Does anyone here actually think otherwise?

But I also don't take all that much objection to someone saying "he may have killed her while the cops also planted evidence."
 

Khane

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The only real argument in this thread is whether or not you can look to any evidence found by the investigation team as credible enough to backup a personal theory on whether or not Avery killed her. Everyone here agrees he was railroaded and the case and subsequent verdict were a sham.

Some people seem to think you can look at certain evidence the investigators have found as credible enough to formulate a theory. Most of us know that once you lose credibility, especially in regards to gathering evidence, nothing you say or do can be trusted. As such no evidence found in this case by these investigators can be trusted.
 

Fight

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People still get confused on Innocent VS Not Guilty. It does not matter at all what evidence wasn't shown. The documentary has nothing to do with his innocent or guilt. The documentary is about some poor hillbilly retard getting railroaded by the criminal justice system, fucking twice. From what was shown in the documentary the only reasonable verdict was Not Guilty, extreme reasonable doubt due to prosecutorial and police misconduct.

Tomorrow a fucking hidden camera video recording of Steven Avery dragging the chick out to her car, throwing her in the back of it (so her blood gets in there), taking her out to the woods, shooting her in the back of the head and leaving her dead body and car there could magically turn up, undeniably proving his guilt, and the result is the same. His conviction is still a miscarriage of Justice and should be vacated, He was still Not Guilty of the crime they framed him for and he should be granted a retrial. (Obviously it would be a swift verdict the 2nd time around if there was a video, and everyone involved in the first trial should still go to prison for the frame job the first time around)

What the documentary's "Bias" is asking the following, to the judge, prosecution, and viewers at home:

How the fuck did you allow the Sheriff's dept to participate in the investigation? They have a clear conflict of interest and coincidentally they "found" all the evidence?
How the fuck did they find a magic bullet sitting on the floor of his garage in plain view, despite days of searching after all the clean, unaffiliated police found nothing?
How did you allow the prosecution to present the completely invalid DNA evidence that it had her DNA on it?
See magic bullet above but apply to the car key that magically appeared in plain view in his trailer?
(Not shown in the documentary but was shown in the trial) How did you allow the prosecution to present completely invalid DNA evidence that Avery's sweat was on the hood latch of her car?
How did you allow the FBI analyst to testify that it was there job to get the police off the hook, and falsify his testimony about the reliability of his test he just invented specifically to get the police off?
How do you allow the police to fucking Hoyer the burn area and randomly shovel shit ruining the crime scene where the bones were found?
How do you let the prosecutor poison the well with a complete bullshit coerced "confession" from a retard?

The only forensic evidence that should of even been allowed to be presented is the Steven Avery blood in the car, of which the police must answer how the fuck did someone break in to the evidence locker, tamper with the blood vials they had on hand, and stick a syringe in his vials of blood?

Hell even the car itself and it being on his property should of been thrown out, since it's clear that detective Colbourn (defendant in the $36mil civil lawsuit) found the car 2 days before it was "found".

The only forensic evidence that should be allowed: Her car had her blood in it. It had some of Steven's blood in it under very suspicious circumstances. With the conflict of interest there's not even enough to press charges against him or take him into custody. Now get the fuck out of the way and allow a real police department to do a real investigation and actually find a murderer.
Nice post bro, would read again.