Marvel Universe stuff

Gravel · Aug 8, 2022

This is one where his origin story really just stops working the further we get from the comic in time.

Eventually anything connected to WWII and the suspension of disbelief becomes too much because he ends up being 150 years old. Captain America only worked because he was frozen.

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

ziggyholiday said:
That’s completely different from “staying young by abusing other mutants”. Magnegro’s time in the camps formed his core principle of protecting his people at all cost, shtick.

It was just a vague suggestion I gave no details for or thought to, he's a bad guy so he could have done any number of bad things "for the greater good".

Maybe he is friends with a mutant that slowed aging down for those around them.

Maybe he was put in statis by another mutant or a secret human prison for powerful mutants.

There are loads of ways to do it. The worst way is "he is black and lived during apartheid".

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

Chris said:
It was just a vague suggestion I gave no details for or thought to, he's a bad guy so he could have done any number of bad things "for the greater good".

Maybe he is friends with a mutant that slowed aging down for those around them.

Maybe he was put in statis by another mutant or a secret human prison for powerful mutants.

There are loads of ways to do it. The worst way is "he is black and lived during apartheid".

No, it's really not.

You're too focused on the "what" that you're completely missing the "why." If WWII becomes so far away historically that it doesn't make any sense then you find something that serves the same purpose, not turn him into a completely different character. He's not supposed to be some immortal Apocalypse type villain

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

Ambiturner said:
No, it's really not.

You're too focused on the "what" that you're completely missing the "why." If WWII becomes so far away historically that it doesn't make any sense then you find something that serves the same purpose, not turn him into a completely different character. He's not supposed to be some immortal Apocalypse type villain

Again...

Coming up with one of any number of random reasons why he hasn't aged a few extra decades doesn't change his character.

Changing him into a black apartheid survivor completely changes his character.

If we are still having this conversation in a hundred years time, you can start complaining about Apocalypse parallels.

Really they just need to stop rehashing the same shit though and make new characters, super heroes should have been aging in real time for a while now instead of endless multiversal reboots.

Goatface · Aug 8, 2022

spronk said:
bernethal as punisher was great

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

Chris said:
Again...

Coming up with one of any number of random reasons why he hasn't aged a few extra decades doesn't change his character.

Changing him into a black apartheid survivor completely changes his character.

If we are still having this conversation in a hundred years time, you can start complaining about Apocalypse parallels.

Really they just need to stop rehashing the same shit though and make new characters, super heroes should have been aging in real time for a while now instead of endless multiversal reboots.

Yes, it really does. If it's some new power where he lives forever then it's not the same character. If he's 150 years old, then it's not the same character.

Wolverine being 140ish years old is actually a part of his character.

The only reason the holocaust is important is it's a genocide he was involved in that shaped his world view and motivation. It being in the 30's and '40s in Europe is not important at all. They can even make up a fictional event to not have to do any race swapping and it still works fine.

Your idea that they should just change his mutant abilities and completely change who he is as a character because of some stupid shit that you have no understanding of is pants on head retarded.

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

Ambiturner said:
Yes, it really does. If it's some new power where he lives forever then it's not the same character. If he's 150 years old, then it's not the same character.

Wolverine being 140ish years old is actually a part of his character.

The only reason the holocaust is important is it's a genocide he was involved in that shaped his world view and motivation. It being in the 30's and '40s in Europe is not important at all. They can even make up a fictional event to not have to do any race swapping and it still works fine.

Your idea that they should just change his mutant abilities and completely change who he is as a character because of some stupid shit that you have no understanding of is pants on head retarded.

Aging up a character is "completely changing who he is" but race and nationality swaps are not? Fuck off.

Gavinmad · Aug 8, 2022

Why are we arguing about black Magneto when it's Xavier they're apparently planning to blackwash?

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

Chris said:
Aging up a character is "completely changing who he is" but race and nationality swaps are not? Fuck off.

Hur durr "aging up a character" to 140 years old is such a minor and normal thing, we could just have him steal children's souls!

You're such a simple minded retard.

It also affects Professor X, Juggernaut, Quicksilver, Wanda, and I'm sure a lot more.

At this point untethering him to a real world event is 100x better than having a bunch of 100+ year old superheroes who appear to be in their 30s, 40s, or 50s

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

Gavinmad said:
Why are we arguing about black Magneto when it's Xavier they're apparently planning to blackwash?

Why bitch about something stupid when you can bitch about something stupid for absolutely no reason?

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

Gavinmad said:
Why are we arguing about black Magneto when it's Xavier they're apparently planning to blackwash?

I don't mind that as much (still bad).

I get the feeling that Gus from Breaking Bad is the next Christoph Waltz, where they cast a beloved villian in everything but forget the role that good directing/writing/storyline had too.

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

Ambiturner said:
Hur durr "aging up a character" to 140 years old is such a minor and normal thing, we could just have him steal children's souls!

You're such a simple minded retard.

It also affects Professor X, Juggernaut, Quicksilver, Wanda, and I'm sure a lot more.

At this point untethering him to a real world event is 100x better than having a bunch of 100+ year old superheroes who appear to be in their 30s, 40s, or 50s

You are strawmanning the hell out of what I said, all to justify blackwashing.

rhinohelix · Aug 8, 2022

Gavinmad said:
Why are we arguing about black Magneto when it's Xavier they're apparently planning to blackwash?

Marvel continues to be dead to me and and remains committed to being fucking ignorantly obnoxiously braindead, news at 11.

Chris said:
Aging up a character is "completely changing who he is" but race and nationality swaps are not? Fuck off.

The M. Night moment in this thread is that I am agreeing with Chris. What has happened to my life.

rhinohelix · Aug 8, 2022

Ambiturner said:
Why bitch about something stupid when you can bitch about something stupid for absolutely no reason?

NO REASON? Did he really just say no reason? WTF IS NO REASON for them race swapping another classic character?

If Marvel race swaps Professor X, This is go to a theater and protest levels of BS.

wormie · Aug 8, 2022

Xmen will be trash if they niggefy magneto OR xavier.

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

rhinohelix said:
NO REASON? Did he really just say no reason? WTF IS NO REASON for them race swapping another classic character?

If Marvel race swaps Professor X, This is go to a theater and protest levels of BS.

You do realize Professor X and Magneto are different characters, right?

Chris said:
You are strawmanning the hell out of what I said, all to justify blackwashing.

I'm not strawmanning anything. Having a character be 140 years old isn't a minor thing, no matter how much you pretend like it is.

I'd prefer they make up a genocide so they wouldn't have to come up with stupid reasons every few years on why he's magically younger than he should be. Tying a character to a historical event is not a great idea for characters that are going to outlive their authors

Apartheid isn't much better it's just kicking the can down the road. You'd then also have to change Wanda and Quicksilver.

Chukzombi · Aug 8, 2022

wormie said:
Xmen will be trash if they niggefy magneto OR xavier.

its going to be trash either way, this is a Disney woke production. if he isnt black, he will be a white gay woman who has the powers of all the Xmen and her backstory is surviving the patriarchy. there is no win in any of this.

Goatface · Aug 8, 2022

in the woke rules, can they hire someone that isn't disabled to play xavier?

Chris · Aug 8, 2022

Ambiturner said:
I'm not strawmanning anything. Having a character be 140 years old isn't a minor thing, no matter how much you pretend like it is.

In 1960 at the age of 25, because he's an extremist and powerful mutant, he is put into an experimental secret prison in Earth orbit, relativistically not aging all that much. In 2000 he escapes and spent the last 20 years catching up on technology and making babies.

It's a comic book character, you can write any old shit, every character has had numerous batshit insane things happen to them.

I'm sure someone can write better.

Ambiturner said:
I'd prefer they make up a genocide so they wouldn't have to come up with stupid reasons every few years on why he's magically younger than he should be. Tying a character to a historical event is not a great idea for characters that are going to outlive their authors

Apartheid isn't much better it's just kicking the can down the road.

How about he's a white survivor of the diversification of the US?

Ambiturner said:
You'd then also have to change Wanda and Quicksilver.

They already did, holocaust isn't a core part of their character.

Ambiturner · Aug 8, 2022

Chris said:
In 1960 at the age of 25, because he's an extremist and powerful mutant, he is put into an experimental secret prison in Earth orbit, relativistically not aging all that much. In 2000 he escapes and spent the last 20 years catching up on technology and making babies.

It's a comic book character, you can write any old shit, every character has had numerous batshit insane things happen to them.

I'm sure someone can write better.

How about he's a white survivor of the diversification of the US?

They already did, holocaust isn't a core part of their character.

I see the problem. You don't know shit about any of the characters.

Because even the best Brits are all inferior to the dumbest Americans, you're unable to see how retarded you are

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