Marvel's Iron Fist

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Finished watching it. It was ok, although the fight scenes kinda sucked compared with other fare (Marvel or otherwise). Danny's character was written as an idiot. Although to be fair, there were a bunch of scenes where characters had their IQ drop by 100 points "Oh shit these weapons are poisoned! I know you got cut by one, but your symptoms are totally a flu and not poison!". Danny first tries to prove he is Danny Rand and doesn't actually pull out anything convincing until later, which felt somewhat dragged out. Then all the stuff with Coleen "I can't believe a word you say!" going to "lol j/k, luv u honey" was just badly written. Then he rages like a 5 year old a times, is completely unreasonable, but gets lucky and ends up being "right" some of the time.

Also, wtf was with the end? Joy does like a complete 180 in her character in that final scene with her. It felt like there was a scene left on the cutting room floor that would have explained her open minded reply to the offer. Maybe there wasn't and the writers thought "Oh shit, we need to make her more like comic Joy! Maybe the viewers won't notice the other 99% of her scenes" and just tossed that in there.

Ward seemed like the best written character. Coleen was 2nd. Joy was ok as well.
 
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Just finished this last night. I have no knowledge of the Iron Fist comics, I'd never heard of him until I saw him Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 :)

It was a little slow in the beginning. They could have played it differently by making it more ambiguous if he really was a crazy homeless guy or not. Again, it felt rushed and like poor writing. Just have no one believe him, including the audience, until he lulls the orderlies to apathy one day, palms a few pills instead of swallowing them, and then boom, glowing hand breakout! It would have been more satisfying.

I was pretty much fine with how they brought him back and gave him back his name and position, pretty standard stuff though, plotwise. Why he ever trusted Faramir is beyond me though. Didn't he always fuck with him when he was a kid? Like Bunker from Banshee did? Meh, just making a character naive for no reason is really frustrating to watch. Didn't he learn anything besides martial arts in 15 years? Don't monks also teach wisdom? Isn't anyone capable of thought anymore? Daredevil didn't suffer from this sort of thing, at least that sticks out to me now.

Everyone turning out to be Hand towards what, episode 8? or so is kind of facepalm worthy. Aren't there any other other factions around that might have a say in things? What about the chaste? There must be more to them than just Captain Mancuso.

How does he not know more about what his chi can do? I mean, even the non magical folks here in NotKun'Lun (sp?) have theories about how it can heal people and do other things besides break stuff. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon came out before Danny's plane crash.

The action I thought was merely ok for the most part. We haven't had a lot of soft style wushu/kung-fu in movies and TV for a while now, it's been mostly a mix of other, more hard-hitting styles, and just outright brutality. Banshee immediately comes to mind. Or the Raid movies. So I think the soft style movements depicted contribute to what people are seeing as "poorly done" action scenes. As an example, the scene with the drunken guy was pretty good, I thought. Also the scene where he disarms the Rand corp security guards with the greatest of ease using almost no strikes. That said, Finn Jones needs a LOT more training to make it look passable. My own background in martial arts allows me to spot things more readily, but his skill isn't even high colorbelt level, let alone master asskicker level. Hopefully that improves for Defenders or S2 of Iron Fist. Other than that though, I actually liked Finn's acting job. I was surprised by his ability in this respect.

The series really could have benefit from some good flashback training montages and scenes. No good martial arts story is complete without the training scenes! They are likely saving all of that for later, but they could have skipped a lot of the corporate boardroom bullshit for some good training scenes instead.

My biggest problem though is what the hell is Iron Fist doing? Why is he there? I mean, I get that part of the show is him searching for his purpose, or he's confused if he should destroy the Hand or whatever (it's unclear to me, which is poor writing IMO). But what's his plan?

Daredevil wants to protect Hell's Kitchen and score occasionally. Punisher wants to punish and kill the people who the law can't or won't. Kingpin wants to control Hell's Kitchen so he can make it a better place eventually. Luke Cage is about setting an example for the rest of Harlem to follow, and to show you can stand up to The Man (who are all other black dudes, lol). What's Iron Fist supposed to DO? Fight crime? Destroy the Hand? Be a billionaire do-gooder (homersimpsonboring.mov)? Protect Kun'Lun from afar? Learn how to use his left hand? Avenge Renly Baratheon? 13 episodes and I have no clue.

There's potential here, but so far this show is a case of wasting it.
5/10

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PS: Joy totally looks like Capri Cavalli.
 
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Cybsled

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Well he sort of answered why he was there: He wasn't certain of what he wanted and wanted to figure out what kind of life he really wanted. You could tell during that flashback with Davos that the prospect of sitting in some mountain pass for the rest of his life didn't sit well.
 
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I was cool with the show and everything that happened except for Danny. Either the writing sucked for his character or the actor played it wrong or maybe both. Clair was getting on my nerves with not wanting to kill anyone. The last episode was stupid as shit. The show wasn't good but it wasn't bad either. I'm glad I watched it but I just don't care about the iron fist what so ever.
 
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The show was definitely not up to Marvel's usual standards. I think they totally miscast Danny which is something they usually nail.

The writing was not great, it's like they knew they needed to an Iron Fist show so they could have the Defenders, but had no idea what to do with it.

All that being said, I still enjoyed it as it was not awful but definitely the worse Marvel has produced.
 
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The writing was not great, it's like they knew they needed to an Iron Fist show so they could have the Defenders, but had no idea what to do with it.
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The chatter during the pre-production of the show indicated as much and the execution verified it.

And the writing was definitely lacking. They could have probably cast a more fitting actor in the lead role but honestly I don't think that Finn Jones' acting chops was all that much of a problem (his fighting chops on the other hand ...). The material was mediocre and as far as we know he gave the directors and showrunner exactly what they were asking for in his portrayal of Danny Rand.
 
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I'm pretty sure their decision to make his entire story arc about his own naivety around the circumstances that killed his parents would make any actor seem bland. The only truth he brought back from Kun Lun was that Harold, Ward, and Joy were going to be his trusted family. He was literally the abused kid. The focus on his recalling of the beatings in Kun Lun, the abuse/deception by Harold/Ward and Joy's family loyalty vs friend loyalty. They let Colleen Wing betray him from episode one. And Davos turned out to be a super jealous hate monger towards Danny and his position as The Fist, it turned from him being there to return Danny for taking a power and shirking duty to a it should have been me selfishness. Almost every stupid line/behavior of Danny Rand just turned on his capacity to be lied to by people he wanted to believe in. I viewed the fact he was like half powered at being the Iron Fist was because of this tormented naive mind. Overcoming this torment, and finding inner peace or some b.s. is what this arc turned on. 13 Episodes, and 5+ betrayals later I hope this is put to bed and Defender Danny Rand is given some scenes to express more depth to his morality and decision making with his super powers. And any future stand alone seasons need to have little of this kind of weak willed chi-master stuff, makes little sense. All these justifications aside the writing was without depth in the 5 separate betrayals, and to "fall for it again" Danny just had to say and do a retarded amount of naive shit.
 
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Finished the series this weekend. In my opinion it falls in line with all the other Netflix Marvel shows. People are dissing the writing and the acting, but the editing and cuts are what hurt the show the most. Danny was 10 when he left the West, and sees the West as his 10 year old self did. No amount of warning or caution would change his views on his original home. You see hints of this as the story plays out, but it feels like the scenes where it was explained were cut. Davos didn't have this issue being born in Kun'Lun. He has been told his entire life to not trust the outside world. Most 10 year old kids trust their parents/family, Danny finds out as the season goes on, there is literally no one he can trust.

The Joy thing was wonky, but its not totally out of left field. Again it was a trust issue and she's only seeing part of the overall picture. Before Danny, she trusted her brother 100%. After Danny shows up that trust goes to zero by the end. Ward now trusts Danny to an extent, so by proxy, the trust for Danny is gone. Remember he also lied about Harold and blew off and screwed Rand Inc on multiple occasions. Davos plays off this doubt and gets her to listen to his version of events. In the grand scheme of things, Davos isn't wrong.

Overall, for me, it was good. It did its job of introducing Iron Fist and established him in the Marvel TV world. It had some faults, but so do all the other shows.

Bring on the Defenders!
 
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Took me a while to get around to it, and I had heard a lot of "its too painful to watch, man this show is terrible" from people.

It was okay. It wasnt great, and it wasnt as heavy handed in its preachyness as I was hearing.

For me it was saved by both Jessica's being pleasant to look at through some of the worst parts of the show and Claire. I'd be okay with Claire Temple: Superhero Babysitter as a series. Shes one of the most likable characters in this Defenders ensemble.
 
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Binged this over the weekend. Not bad, like others said, the fights were meh. They should of chose some real fighters to be actors or some shit, or ones that had a bit of training under their belts. But overall I enjoyed.

The best fight by far was the drunk dude, fucking epic. He needs to be back in show as a sidekick or something.



The dude had more personality in his 5 min than all the other characters combined the entire series.


 
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mkopec said:
Binged this over the weekend. Not bad, like others said, the fights were meh. They should of chose some real fighters to be actors or some shit, or ones that had a bit of training under their belts. But overall I enjoyed.

The best fight by far was the drunk dude, fucking epic. He needs to be back in show as a sidekick or something.



The dude had more personality in his 5 min than all the other characters combined the entire series.


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da fuq are you doing linking some dumb ass whitey national geographic shit?

you want to see Drunken Fu, you go and watch Jackie Chan, you fucking pleb
 
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Sorry my asian negro.

BTW its tough linking any Jackie Chan, because that dude was a fucking anomaly. A 1 in 100 yrs martial arts virtuoso. So its like comparing dick sizes of a 5 yr old(Iron Fist) Vs a full grown man (Chan)
 
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I never finished Season 1, stopped around ep 5 or 6. At some point I will finish it, but man I am sad about what could have been.
 
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Holy shit, reading into it a bit this morning, that dude that played the drunk fighter was supposed to be cast as Iron fist, then later they switched and cast no talent ass clown blonde curls boy instead, lol. What a fucking mistake.
 
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Holy shit, reading into it a bit this morning, that dude that played the drunk fighter was supposed to be cast as Iron fist, then later they switched and cast no talent ass clown blonde curls boy instead, lol. What a fucking mistake.
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seriously the action is horrible, mainly b/c blond boy is there fucking everything up.

Asian ppl are bringing their A game, like their life depended on it, blond boy is just blond.
 
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It could of been a good thing to bring a Asian to the lead role too for the "diversity" bullshit holywood is pushing down peoples throats. Except they still fucking racist as fuck.
 
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It could of been a good thing to bring a Asian to the lead role too for the "diversity" bullshit holywood is pushing down peoples throats. Except they still fucking racist as fuck.
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they already "fulfilled that quota" with Colleen Wing.

Even tho she's a halfie in comics, shes a full on red-headed white girl.
 
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