Might & Magic X: Legacy

For what it's worth, swords is pointless on crusader. A lot of wasted points there. GM light, expert in shields, heavy armor, focus weapon, endurance, warfare, mysticism and then work on GMing arcane discipline. For level ups put all into spirit until you have about 150 mana, then go 2 magic/2 spirit until you have about 300 mana, then full magic for rest of game.

Reason being is that CA means you never have to put a point into vitality on any character. Expert endurance (which all classes can get) is enough light to survive exploding fire elementals. My word of light does 250 damage to everything in range non-crit and late game enemies all have negative light resist so it gets even more powerful. Focus weapon + warfare means un-resistable taunts/skull cracks. My mandate of heaven + crit build dagger dancer does a bonus 250~500 damage per melee round (pre GM dagger smind you, after that it's just fucking silly).

So 25 skill points into swords is just a waste.

Zehn - Vhex_sl said:

For what it's worth, swords is pointless on crusader. A lot of wasted points there. GM light, expert in shields, heavy armor, focus weapon, endurance, warfare, mysticism and then work on GMing arcane discipline. For level ups put all into spirit until you have about 150 mana, then go 2 magic/2 spirit until you have about 300 mana, then full magic for rest of game.

Reason being is that CA means you never have to put a point into vitality on any character. Expert endurance (which all classes can get) is enough light to survive exploding fire elementals. My word of light does 250 damage to everything in range non-crit and late game enemies all have negative light resist so it gets even more powerful. Focus weapon + warfare means un-resistable taunts/skull cracks. My mandate of heaven + crit build dagger dancer does a bonus 250~500 damage per melee round (pre GM dagger smind you, after that it's just fucking silly).

So 25 skill points into swords is just a waste.

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Yes, I guess I can see in hindsight how focus weapons can be OP considering they never miss. Definitely counter-intuitive for a Pally and I doubt it's what the devs intended, but from a min/max standpoint now that I have played enough to understand the mechanics, focus would definitely be the way to go.

As for the pally promotion quest, I also only have two discs, one of which is from the Karthal vendor, so I guess I missed one somewhere. I hope it's not in a perception based secret room, as I've had a lot of problems with those since I don't have a champ that has levelled perception. Eagle eye and a few perception based items has allowed me to open some, but I've had to let many remained sealed because I just can't open them..

Pyros_sl said:

You do need to be promoted to achieve GM yes. It's still worth it having max swords but you won't GM until lvl 20-25ish depending on the class, some can promote earlier cause the promotion quest are fucking stupid easy though.

As for the disk, might be a bug but I never had an issue with having the full disk in all my playthrough. One is early in the game, I think it's bandit lair in the forest in a secret room, second is in lost city and 3rd in karthal on a vendor. Well it might not be the right numbers. If you're missing the lost city one, it's on lvl 2 at coordinates 13,17 supposedly, based on the thread I've seen. Is that the one you checked that's not there?

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Ive been to all of these places...it's disc 3 I am missign but I have been to the karthal vendor (blackfang hideout) a few times to double check, been to lost city a few times to double check as well. Giving up on it for now...

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Yes,

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I made quite a few hindsight mistakes myself. I GM'd dark on the free mage and dark is terrible. Everything at end game is super resistant to it and nothing lives long enough for agony to be worth it even with 2x dagger dancers. I'd start over but by the time I figured it out it was super late in the game and I can't be fucked to start over again. Truth be told I'm torn on what the 4th slot should even be with crusader/dd/dd since it's so broken that the 4th slot might as well just be another DD or whatever you want it to be.

My 4x runepriest playthrough is pretty silly though. GM fire + GM light is pretty slick I gotta say. Only downside is I have to get supplies more often and there's a brutal section before you do the promotion quest that things can get sketchy.

Pyros_sl said:

You do need to be promoted to achieve GM yes. It's still worth it having max swords but you won't GM until lvl 20-25ish depending on the class, some can promote earlier cause the promotion quest are fucking stupid easy though.

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If you know where the GM quests are, some of them turn out to be easier than you'd think. I've been running an all melee party lately for the lols, and managed to get BM promotion at level 14, and that's one of the harder ones in terms of stuff to fight. Took a couple of reloads given the dark mage could oneshot people when he critted and is immune to skullcrack, but it wasn't as bad as I thought.

( party is defender, sword bm, 2x dagger bm ).

Zehn - Vhex_sl said:

I made quite a few hindsight mistakes myself. I GM'd dark on the free mage and dark is terrible. Everything at end game is super resistant to it and nothing lives long enough for agony to be worth it even with 2x dagger dancers. I'd start over but by the time I figured it out it was super late in the game and I can't be fucked to start over again. Truth be told I'm torn on what the 4th slot should even be with crusader/dd/dd since it's so broken that the 4th slot might as well just be another DD or whatever you want it to be.

My 4x runepriest playthrough is pretty silly though. GM fire + GM light is pretty slick I gotta say. Only downside is I have to get supplies more often and there's a brutal section before you do the promotion quest that things can get sketchy.

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Yeah, I've noticed that Dark is getting pretty shitty. Sleep was amazing in dealing with packs of humanoid mobs (made me think of mezzing in EQ heh), but it seems like all I've been fighting lately are Elite Spectres/skeletons and blackfang dudes, and they are all immune to it. My freemage is primordial/air/dark and my runepriest is fire/earth, and my freemage felt like a buffbot until I got chain lightning. I don't even have someone with water magic, so have no idea how good that is.. Seriously been playing this game with as little spoilers as possible.

I have two groups going right now. My new favorite is my 3x runepriest, 1x druid group that is pretty hardcore. There are so few mobs in the game with really high fire resist and you can easily avoid most of them until later on when you can GM light for word of light hilarity. I have about a 55% crit rate with hour of power going on the runepriests. Sickening.

yeah, scout is up in the same mountains as the windsword promo.
you need air and forest blessings.

The air elemental boss is pretty rough but I was able to do it at 18 with 3x runepriests and a druid. CA is just that freaking strong. I was rocking like 35% crit rate at that point too so on the first round I had gotten him down to something like 30% health.

Currently running around catching up on all the sidequests and whatnot I skipped and nothing, even bosses, lasts more than a single round. Some fights end the first spell. It's pretty slick. I had originally done a 4x runepriest group that focused on magic/spirit but this new build going spirit until 150 mana and then going raw destiny and a druid to buff it even further is pretty disgusting. Even stuff that resists fire dies the first round. Should have GM light soon as well and will be able to use 3x word of light on fire resist stuff for even more hilarity.

yeah, as soon as I stopped an looked at the crit, and figured out that extra crit damage mages, get, I started focusing mostly on destiny.

Zehn, how are you handling item identify in that group?

New patch is okay. The new dungeons are relatively short but I didn't have to pay $5 DLC for each one or some stupid nonsense so that's nice.

Merc with axe is pretty beastly now that their upgrade ability is fixed. They outclass Dager Dancer(DD) up until DD gets GM daggers/DW and even after that they keep pace pretty well. DD wrecks any group of 2+ mobs though thanks to cleave but you realistically only need one cleaver. Crusader/Merc/DD/Druid is stronger through the first 80% of the game but GM Dagger DD is just so crazy broken.

Nerf to regen and opening secrets makes it so that you almost want someone with perception now. With dog, GM hour of power and expert perception it still took me 3~4 rounds to open late game perception secrets. You just miss out on some gold though so not worth the trade off.

Still working on an optimal party for speed running. 3x runepriest + druid is crazy good on normal difficulty but almost impossible on warrior since you can't get to crag prior to lost city without exploiting poison spray and that takes forever to do.

Lusiphur_sl said:

Zehn, how are you handling item identify in that group?

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With my 44xRP group? RP's can get expert prime magic for ID. I just didn't really bother though because by the time I started caring about gear I was vendor farming for +fire and +focus gear and just selling everything else.

Pyros_sl said:

I guess he means the "exploit" where you'd cast regen then spam secret checks with regen healing you on every interaction and never expiring(so you didn't need to recast or sleep, just spam until you opened the secret).

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Yeah that. It's fixed now so regen actually ticks down and expires, so do all other spells while doing it so your light spells and buffs will run out too. I grabbed a perception gear set on my latest play through and it's a non-issue. Don't need to waste points on it. Expert air + gm prime + bonus 20 from items + dog + barrels/elixers and I get it 2nd or 3rd shot usually.

Crusader/merc/blade dancer/druid is probably one of the more balanced groups. Very powerful all game long. Near mid game you start being able to kill bosses in one turn. Without going too in depth because I gotta get going, Crusader wants to focus on light magic and warfare, merc on 2h axe and warfare, blade dancer on daggers (can get daggers with relentless affix in 3rd town you visit, those are best) and DW, druid get expert earth first, then expert prime, then start working on GM water, gm prime, master earth in that order.

Stat points wise crusader wants to get to 250 mana and then pump pure +magic. Merc should get about 18 points in spirit and then pure might. Blade dancer wants 20 might, perception and spirit and then go pure destiny. Druid wants to go spirit/magic until 250 mana then pump pure +magic.

Everybody should get expert endurance at some point. Between expert endurance and paladin casting celestial armor you don't need to put any points into vitality. Just make sure to give your druid most of the health pots. You want everybody to have about 120 health by the time you start fighting fire elementals.

Only other neat very useful trick is that crusader can put 1 point into mystic focus, use mage weapons and then they can use warfare attacks like taunt and skullcrack which cannot miss then. Very useful. Get expert shields and expert heavy armor on a crusader, give them the relic shield and relic armor and they take like 2% physical damage. Pretty awesome.

Only downside is you have to use scrolls to detect secrets if you don't have a hireling that can do it for you. There's a dog you can hire for free that can detect secrets hidden in a forest between the second and third towns.