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MLB 2014 Season Thread
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Boston has a -16 RS/RA record while Tampa has a -43 RS/RA record which means that Boston fans may not have to worry about being in last place as much as Tampa.
Grimmlokk
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Pirates are finally pulling it together a bit after a truly wretched stretch there. So of course their young future ace goes on the 15 day DL with "shoulder fatigue". Does anyone doubt this will end up fucking his season when he comes back and blows something out? Pitcher number 100 to have Tommy John this year?
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opiate82
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Felix Hernandez looks like he is putting together a career year. His WAR is a full point above the next closest pitcher, FIP under 2.00, and is amongst the league leaders in every relevant pitching category.
Anyone who doesn't think he is the best pitcher in baseball is stupid and wrong.
Anyone who doesn't think he is the best pitcher in baseball is stupid and wrong.
Grimmlokk
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Am I misreading the charts or something? I see him as 10th place in WAR for pitchers. I am admittedly kind of a dullard when it comes to these stats but it looks like Hammels, Cueto, and Beuhrle are at least statistically ahead of him as far as all this Sabermetric stuff goes. His FIP is way ahead of everyone though.
opiate82
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/shrug I am not sure. I would think that if ESPN had their own formula they would probably have some proprietary shit that they would shove down our throats like they do with QBR in football.
All I can tell you for sure is that I have always used and trusted Fangraphs for Sabermetrically driven baseball information.
*edit: Apparently there are different formulas:WAR Comparison Chart - Baseball-Reference.com
*double edit: Fangraphs explains how they calculated their pitching WAR compared to other formulas. Basically they give more weight to fielding-independent stats to calculate their pitching WAR:WAR for Pitchers | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library
All I can tell you for sure is that I have always used and trusted Fangraphs for Sabermetrically driven baseball information.
*edit: Apparently there are different formulas:WAR Comparison Chart - Baseball-Reference.com
*double edit: Fangraphs explains how they calculated their pitching WAR compared to other formulas. Basically they give more weight to fielding-independent stats to calculate their pitching WAR:WAR for Pitchers | FanGraphs Sabermetrics Library
Grimmlokk
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All I can tell you is I have no strong opinion and was just curious about the numbers=P
edit: For reference, fangraphs has their own WAR formula.
WAR Comparison Chart - Baseball-Reference.com
And so does every other site on the internet. Because it wasn't tedious enough when people argued about this shit with 1 formula there's now 50 versions.
edit: For reference, fangraphs has their own WAR formula.
WAR Comparison Chart - Baseball-Reference.com
And so does every other site on the internet. Because it wasn't tedious enough when people argued about this shit with 1 formula there's now 50 versions.
opiate82
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Yeah, I agree. It is a worthy endeavor to try to quantify a players performance as objectively and statistically driven as possible, but eventually you need to rely on the good old fashion eyeball test. And based off of what I have watched I think that Felix's changeup is the best pitch in baseball right now. Right up there with the Rivera cutter.
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I'm not a big fan of fielding-independent stats. Ground ball pitchers get owned. Or pitchers who like to pitch against a certain lineup in a certain way (pitchers will typically stay lower in the zone against teams with a lot of power to reduce chances of HRs for example). FIP doesn't really take that into account.
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Grimmlokk
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I am once again confused by stats.
293 pitches vs 367 pitches, but only 5 plate appearances difference. Meaning Felix obviously throws the Changeup more than Darvish does the slider. HOWEVAH the average part is based on hits on PA's when they threw that pitch, but it doesn't really measure how hittable that specific pitch is. A lower % of Felix's Changeups resulted in hits than of Darvish's sliders, and the changeup caused 4 DPs.
Those numbers seem to favor the changeup over the slider pretty clearly, though they should really include balls/strikes for each pitch.
293 pitches vs 367 pitches, but only 5 plate appearances difference. Meaning Felix obviously throws the Changeup more than Darvish does the slider. HOWEVAH the average part is based on hits on PA's when they threw that pitch, but it doesn't really measure how hittable that specific pitch is. A lower % of Felix's Changeups resulted in hits than of Darvish's sliders, and the changeup caused 4 DPs.
Those numbers seem to favor the changeup over the slider pretty clearly, though they should really include balls/strikes for each pitch.
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moontayle
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I agree with the last part, however I would point to the number of SOs each pitch has produced as a general indicator on how well it does against opposing batters, in which case the Slider wins out overall since on 292 pitches it has induced 52 strikeouts, versus 367 and 41. It's semantics anyway. I mean, if you asked a baseball fan which pitch they would want in their repertoire, Darvish's Slider or Hernandez's Changeup the smart ones would go, "Shit man, do I have to pick one?"
