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usada hasn't been legit since they let jon jones get a free pass
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Indeed "Acceptable levels of (exotic) steroids" was when USADA became clowns. It's one thing if Jones had a commonly available steroid in his body-- the contamination argument makes sense in that case. But having a steroid that was only ever produced as a part of a doping program for East Germany in the 1960's and claiming accidental contamination just flies in the face. No level of that particular steroid should have been deemed acceptable for that reason alone.

Seeing a repeat of this with Conor's current gaming of the system. There's some good articles explaining the loophole USADA created for out-of-testing pool athletes. Essentially Conor can use cattle steroids or whatever he can put in his body and all he has to do is file some paperwork on it, admit to it to USADA, then test clean for a few months (unless a testing exemption is granted) and you can still claim to be a natural tested athlete to the public.
 
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Indeed "Acceptable levels of (exotic) steroids" was when USADA became clowns. It's one thing if Jones had a commonly available steroid in his body-- the contamination argument makes sense in that case. But having a steroid that was only ever produced as a part of a doping program for East Germany in the 1960's and claiming accidental contamination just flies in the face. No level of that particular steroid should have been deemed acceptable for that reason alone.

Seeing a repeat of this with Conor's current gaming of the system. There's some good articles explaining the loophole USADA created for out-of-testing pool athletes. Essentially Conor can use cattle steroids or whatever he can put in his body and all he has to do is file some paperwork on it, admit to it to USADA, then test clean for a few months (unless a testing exemption is granted) and you can still claim to be a natural tested athlete to the public.
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lets not forgot ufc200 brock and salty mark hunt, what was he like 2month in the testing pool?
 
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Eliminating weight classes sounds like a pants-on-head retarded idea to me for the longevity of the sport. The early UFCs are fun to watch for that reason, but I enjoy having very evenly matched fights now and the weight differences are a big part of that. I'd love to see them implement a change that effectively eliminates weight cuts for the same reason.
 
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Eliminating weight classes sounds like a pants-on-head retarded idea to me for the longevity of the sport. The early UFCs are fun to watch for that reason, but I enjoy having very evenly matched fights now and the weight differences are a big part of that. I'd love to see them implement a change that effectively eliminates weight cuts for the same reason.
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That said, let's not get trapped by them. I love cross-class superfights or even Pride-style freak shows.
 
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I'm paying to watch people beat the shit out of each other. Not how ethical they are. Let them roid. Let them kick people on the ground.
 
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It's not about ethics. I just think you're not going to get to see stuff like Moreno vs Figueiredo if weight classes don't exist.
 
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Bandwagon said:
Eliminating weight classes sounds like a pants-on-head retarded idea to me for the longevity of the sport. The early UFCs are fun to watch for that reason, but I enjoy having very evenly matched fights now and the weight differences are a big part of that. I'd love to see them implement a change that effectively eliminates weight cuts for the same reason.
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I'm not sure weight classes mean what most people think they mean. Look at UFC 8. David Vs Goliath. They purposely matched giants versus midgets. The results were 3 wins for the giants, 4 wins for the midgets. Maybe 5 wins for the midgets, I'm not sure if the superfight was also david vs goliath. That was shamrock vs kimo and I don't remember if either of them was a david.


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lets not forgot ufc200 brock and salty mark hunt, what was he like 2month in the testing pool?
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I think he took like 1 test prefight like immediately before the fight lol

Basically was never in the testing pool at all. Got 1 or 2 tests the week of the fight under an "exemption".

Whatever happened with Hunt's lawsuit?
 
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I think he took like 1 test prefight like immediately before the fight lol

Just basically was never in the testing pool at all. Got 1 or 2 tests the week of the fight under an "exemption".

Whatever happened with Hunt's lawsuit?
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he lost on all points, had to pay ufc's legal fees too. something like $400k.

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mma on point covered weight cutting the other day. they interview a guy who talks about beating the tests
 
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I really wish they could find a way to enforce fighting at natural weights. Everyone would win. The fighters would fight the same guys but not feel like dogshit, it would be safer for the brains and joints, and the fans would get better performances.

One FC is close with their hydration testing during camp, but that's super invasive and apparently still possible to game.
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I have always thought they should make all fighters come to the fight city one to two weeks prior to the fight and have to weigh in everyday. That would be hard to game and I think it would have people fighting at their walk around weight.

I know it would be expensive to have them there for two weeks, but I think it would lead to better match ups overall.
 
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I'm not sure weight classes mean what most people think they mean. Look at UFC 8. David Vs Goliath. They purposely matched giants versus midgets. The results were 3 wins for the giants, 4 wins for the midgets. Maybe 5 wins for the midgets, I'm not sure if the superfight was also david vs goliath. That was shamrock vs kimo and I don't remember if either of them was a david.


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Ngannou vs Cejudo. Make it so.
 
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UFC Vegas 69

Main Card (ESPN+ at 7 p.m. ET)
Jessica Andrade (124) vs. Erin Blanchfield (125.5)
Jordan Wright (204) vs. Zac Pauga (205.5)
Josh Parisian (266) vs. Jamal Pogues (249.5)
William Knight (206) vs. Marcin Prachnio (205)
Jim Miller (155.5) vs. Alexander Hernandez (156)

Preliminary Card (ESPN+ at 4 p.m. ET)
Nazim Sadykhov (155.5) vs. Evan Elder (155.5)
Lina Lansberg (135.5) vs. Mayra Bueno Silva (136)
Jamall Emmers (145) vs. Khusein Askhabov (146)
Ovince Saint Preux (206) vs. Philipe Lins (203.5)
A.J. Fletcher (171) vs. Themba Gorimbo (171)
Clayton Carpenter (125) vs. Juancamilo Ronderos (125)
 
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he lost on all points, had to pay ufc's legal fees too. something like $400k.

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Any evidence the UFC intends to collect or collected?

In another UFC lawsuit they didn't collect. Unless its Randy Couture, they just treat it as a retard swinging for the fences. Shame if they made Hunt pay the judgement.
 
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Any evidence the UFC intends to collect or collected?

In another UFC lawsuit they didn't collect. Unless its Randy Couture, they just treat it as a retard swinging for the fences. Shame if they made Hunt pay the judgement.
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probably won't, mma journos would bring up when ufc cut hunt from fighting tybura cuz hunt said he slurs and probably has cte, too much rehashed bad publicity
 
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he lost on all points, had to pay ufc's legal fees too. something like $400k.

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mma on point covered weight cutting the other day. they interview a guy who talks about beating the tests
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That was super interesting. Rich Franklin looked totally blindsided.
 
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