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i think wow's early death/cr concept > eq's early death/cr concept... basically in both situations you're penalized the same with an interruption to your current goals...

wow just streamlined it by not worrying about a bind point and ghost mode... huge cop out but c'mon nothing worse (especially now that im not 15) than the feeling of wasting time in a game
 
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your_mum said:
i think wow's early death/cr concept > eq's early death/cr concept... basically in both situations you're penalized the same with an interruption to your current goals...

wow just streamlined it by not worrying about a bind point and ghost mode... huge cop out but c'mon nothing worse (especially now that im not 15) than the feeling of wasting time in a game
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Disagree. It's supposed to feel shitty. No pain, no gain. WoW's death recovery was a joke and actually entirely pointless. Nobody gave a shit if they died on WoW.

In a game where there isn't a whole lot of skill expression, you need something that presents a risk in order for the reward to have weight and meaning behind it.
 
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Del said:
Disagree. It's supposed to feel shitty. No pain, no gain. WoW's death recovery was a joke and actually entirely pointless. Nobody gave a shit if they died on WoW.

In a game where there isn't a whole lot of skill expression, you need something that presents a risk in order for the reward to have weight and meaning behind it.
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The challenge in most MMOs isn't the mechanics, it's the people.

You need 2-71 other non-retarded people that can borderline DPS / Heal / Hold Agro and then magically most things fall over. Toss onto the top that the VAST majority of people are NOT in progression guilds and usually watch bossfights before even ENTERING the fucking dungeon and then they STILL fucking wipe to mechanics...

The death mechanic in WoW was so easy that people used death as a means to skip content they didn't want to so, like trash clearing in a open world dungeon.
 
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Disagree. It's supposed to feel shitty. No pain, no gain. WoW's death recovery was a joke and actually entirely pointless. Nobody gave a shit if they died on WoW.

In a game where there isn't a whole lot of skill expression, you need something that presents a risk in order for the reward to have weight and meaning behind it.
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There was no pain. You basically called in a necro or SK and paid him XX and got your shit back. EXP loss was almost null and void with higher level cleric. All it ever did was not respect players time. You basically waited for a while to get your shit back while others were playing the game. And this is why most people stuck to the safe leveling paths like loio, OT and dreadlands and at least on my server the dungeons were fucking EMPTY save a few like Seb, which were all camped to shit because of $$ drops. No pain no gain, imagine thinking this shit in a fucking video game. Moronic.
 
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on my server the dungeons were fucking EMPTY save a few like Seb, which were all camped to shit because of $$ drops
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Really?

Every dungeon was PACKED on my server during the expansions prime. Sure, off hours you could find spots but shit like Velks was so packed that you had people fighting for levels of the entry spiders, You had people in every section.

Like It was so bad that even in my "Chill time" I would solo in Crystal Caverns and still have to find a spot.

Luclin spread us out a little but people STILL gravitated to places like Velks.

PoP made it worse because EVERYONE and their mother fought for fire and if you couldn't get a fire group you slummed it somewhere else or you did like I did and used Call of the Arch Mage and absolutely fucked shit up in BoT til your burnt out elemental pet with full gear (because I was an asshole lawl) broke and then killed everyone in the zone.

XP Loss was more than a minor annoyance for a long time, even with a cleric rez.
 
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mkopec said:
There was no pain. You basically called in a necro or SK and paid him XX and got your shit back. EXP loss was almost null and void with higher level cleric. All it ever did was not respect players time. You basically waited for a while to get your shit back while others were playing the game. And this is why most people stuck to the safe leveling paths like loio, OT and dreadlands and at least on my server the dungeons were fucking EMPTY save a few like Seb, which were all camped to shit because of $$ drops. No pain no gain, imagine thinking this shit in a fucking video game. Moronic.
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Oh gee, I wonder why Souls-like games became so beloved. A game that just so happens to have a death penalty that actually stings.

I like the contradiction in your post. EQ's penalty had no pain while simultaneously had so much pain that it forced people into avoiding anything that could kill them.

Which is it? Moron.
 
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It was a pain not because of the penalty, because of the fucking time you had to invest in it. You were not playing the game in the mean time. Its fucking stupid. You get home from a work day and want to enjoy yourself not be slapped in the dick over and over. and lets not even mention the times you tried to get that corpse and died several times, literally obliterating like a weeks worth of exp gains in a hour.

And when wow released EQ became a ghost town. Thats what happened. Not respecting a players time, in an already grindy as fuck game where exp literally trickled in .5-1% at a time, people left and never came back.
 
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Sure did, when wow released EQ became a ghost town. Thats what happened. Not respecting a players time, in an already grindy as fuck game where exp literally trickled in .5-1% at a time, people left and never came back.
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You want to know what's truly moronic? You getting whipped up into a tizzy over the 1 mmo coming out that that has a mechanic that causes you to crash out when there are dozens upon dozens of mmos out there that cater to your lowest common denominator ass.

Everyone knows this game is going to be niche. Nobody expects different. That is not the own that you think it is.
 
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Del said:
Disagree. It's supposed to feel shitty. No pain, no gain. WoW's death recovery was a joke and actually entirely pointless. Nobody gave a shit if they died on WoW.

In a game where there isn't a whole lot of skill expression, you need something that presents a risk in order for the reward to have weight and meaning behind it.
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Yes it’s funny he actually said Wow death penalty is similar with eq just more streamlined lol ( or he meant the nowadays soulless eq1 running by daybreak ?)

Jesus fuck they can say anything

seeing those people so full of shit trying to justify and turn every game into wow when they are so bored of that crap

Why are they even here I don’t understand the psychology of those assclown trying to ruin it for us

is it because m&m is the true last eq reborn happened ?
 
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Im here because ive been here since 2002, why the fuck are you here? This game wont be out prob until im 60 anyway. so who gives a shit? How am I ruining this for you? Because of my obviously RIGHT opinion? Put me on ignore and continue your circle jerk.
 
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mkopec said:
Im here because ive been here since 2002, why the fuck are you here? This game wont be out prob until im 60 anyway. so who gives a shit? How am I ruining this for you? Because of my obviously RIGHT opinion? Put me on ignore and continue your circle jerk.
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Yea RIGHT so here we go starting this making shit up phrase

this game won’t be out prob until forever
Keep huffing your copium as if this is that pantheon scam lol

Did they charge us $1000 for “ alpha access “ ?
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Update 46: January & February 2025 — Monsters & Memories

Hi all! We’ve got a lot of ground to cover in this one, so here’s another quick “thank you” for a wonderful 2024. Now, let’s get into it! April Playtest We’re planning an open playtest from Friday, April 11 - Sunday, April 13. We’ll likely continue to have stress tests and quick spot checks in
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Are u retarded or just can’t face the truth ?
Oh yea even their financial report must be faked

Fuck off to somewhere else if M&M is such a “ wrong “ game ever exist
 
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No ones asking you to
Then fuck off and argue somewhere else or do it at the vaporware pantheon section
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Hieromonk said:
Yea RIGHT so here we go starting this making shit up phrase

this game won’t be out prob until forever
Keep huffing your copium as if this is that pantheon scam lol

Did they charge us $1000 for “ alpha access “ ?
monstersandmemories.com

Update 46: January & February 2025 — Monsters & Memories

Hi all! We’ve got a lot of ground to cover in this one, so here’s another quick “thank you” for a wonderful 2024. Now, let’s get into it! April Playtest We’re planning an open playtest from Friday, April 11 - Sunday, April 13. We’ll likely continue to have stress tests and quick spot checks in
monstersandmemories.com monstersandmemories.com
Are u retarded or just can’t face the truth ?
Oh yea even their financial report must be faked

Fuck off to somewhere else if M&M is such a “ wrong “ game ever exist
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LOL. This thread has a bunch of shitters that were stuck in shitter guilds who think a fucking CR is the pinnacle of gaming "death penalties" and somehow difficult.

"OMG! We had to have the server's resident uber guild help my diarrhea ass pickup group to PoFear 4 expansions in help us, because we were stuck trying to break the entrance for 12 hours! What a rush guys!! You just don't get player interaction like THAT these days, let me tell ya! 1999 was the life, amirite?!"
 
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