Mr. Robot

Shows/movies already take substantial liberties with multiple personalities. If Elliot is Tyrell they'd have to take even more, and it would be retarded to the point where Elliot could be anyone else in the show. Or everyone (rubber room scenario). Considering how careful they were with the scenes with Elliot and Mr. Robot, I seriously doubt the writers would not also take the same care with any other personality. Yeah, it's fun to entertain the idea, when your memory is a little hazy. But, if you go back and watch all of Elliot's interactions with Tyrell, you need to start making up a bunch of shit to keep that idea alive.

There is definitely something going on in the scene with Tyrell's wife, and I think that scene was really well done.

Ossoi_sl said:

Does anyone else feel like this show started off like a 9/10 but declined slightly and got less interesting as the season progressed? I just found it harder to pay attention during the later episodes?

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nah. its just a spiraling story. the more we know, the less we know scenario..

Also, a bit too much Fight Club at times.


Shoe salesman scene was retarded.

I think Tyrell being elliot would be silly but I do have a question. Tyrell is the only character we see talking to Elliot's dad alone besides Elliot himself right? That scene where Tyrell and Elliot's dad are in the backseat of Tyrell's SUV.

That hasn't happened with any other character in the show as far as I know. So it's possible but honestly it would be really shitty writing and entirely fucking stupid.

The only thing that intrigues me about Elliot being Tyrell is seeing how Tyrell's wife's manipulation fits into things, otherwise I'm sort of hopeful they don't go that route.

Khane_sl said:

I think Tyrell being elliot would be silly but I do have a question. Tyrell is the only character we see talking to Elliot's dad alone besides Elliot himself right? That scene where Tyrell and Elliot's dad are in the backseat of Tyrell's SUV.

That hasn't happened with any other character in the show as far as I know. So it's possible but honestly it would be really shitty writing and entirely fucking stupid.

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Wasn't Mr. Robot alone when he went to Romero's pot house to get him to rejoin fsociety?

Yea apparently that was Elliot. You know, the Elliot that is aggressive and taunts other people with firearms.

I like this show a lot, but if Tyrell is Elliot, then I agree that Elliot could be basically anyone. What if Elliot is actually Angela? Like Im not trying to be a faggot, well maybe a little, but how fucking dumb would it be to find out Tyrell doesnt exist. Its just too fucking stupid. I mean think of it, so Elliot has a security team who secures bums for him to beat up when he had a rough day at the office (Allsafe? Maybe E Corp?l ol?)

Then him wearing fsociety mask at the end is the gotcha moment of the season though so I think we can put Tyrelliot to bed.

Ossoi_sl said:

Does anyone else feel like this show started off like a 9/10 but declined slightly and got less interesting as the season progressed? I just found it harder to pay attention during the later episodes?

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A little.. I felt it jumped the shark a bit at the whole "I'm your father and this is your sister" moment, further compounded when Dad turned out to be a figment of his imagination. Still think it's a fantastic show, and would literally rate it as a 9.5/10 up until the whole "reveal". I also found the finale a bit weak.

Burned through the whole thing last nght and tonight. Great fucking show. The whole Tyrell = Elliot thing is dumb. It doesn't make sense in the least. It's a tv show so sure, anything's possible, but it would be dumb.

Loved the series but felt like the last episode was kind of "off". It is highly implausible that tyrell = elliot but i guess the writers will do what they want.

Good show. I do enjoy how cold they made the E-corp guys; they are even highlighting techniques actual large financial do. Like the rainy day fund? That actually happens in the face of SEC fines; in some cases, due to max limits on fines and the SEC making deals, it is simply more profitable to pay the fine than it is to avoid it. Especially if you can gain the capital now, so it can grow until you need to pay the fine off. Of course in the show it is a civil suit--but it shows how ineffective fines and suits are at making huge companies act morally. The only thing fines and law suits do is make companies act rationally; if they feel they can make more money poisoning people, and paying law suits--than they can NOT poisoning people, and avoiding law suits? They will poison you. So I really have no problem with how they are making the heads of the companies very calculating, and unfeeling...

But man the idealism of "freeing the world", and "waking people up" gets silly sometimes. Like when they were bitching at the dog pound, it is just useless goody talk with no weight and nuance unless someone or something shows the counter weight (Fuck I was dying for the pound guy to ask any of them if they'd like to adopt one of the poor dogs. Yeah, it's easy to spout idealism, but shuffle on up for the responsibility of it). In the case of E-corp, just having someone be antagonistic in, or outside of, Fsociety, and explaining what would actually happen if people couldn't take on debt (it would actually be a bad thing in most cases.), would have been great. Just someone to check Mr. Robot, and the rest of their overly romanticized ramblings, get them to think of the good stuff that is done within the same systems that the bad stuff is done on.

Having counter points like that would have made the show would a lot meatier, and made people think more. Like if after the crash you saw people having difficulty because the things they relied on broke down, beyond just having to use cash (Though, this might have been just a time thing--since a lot of the damaging effects would take a few weeks to show up. Hopefully they show it next season). But any push back would be good, hell, when Mr. Robot was saying "we haven't been in the real world since the turn of the century"--I wish some other personality would have asked wtf that even means? What does being real mean you're sick and miserable?



In any case, I like the shows basic premise, I do think it isgreatwhen they focus on the wealth and power gap, and focuses on little people being shit on by those things...but man, I wish there was more bite back to create some nuance, especially when the main characters get overly romantic and pine for the days of shitting in out houses and eating "real" food (Apparently). Was really hoping Tyrell was there to add that; like some rational counter points from the "evil side" about the big picture. Or was hoping Darlene at E-corp was supposed to show it, but it seems like they are just going to use her there to show how super-evil the CEO is, since apparently she's there to fuck over Eliot. (Though, I do think they tried to offer some nuance with showing how Eliots activities fucked Allsafe, or even showing how his team was disenchanted at the chaos at the end--but still, wish there was more.)

I thought they made it pretty clear that fsociety had no idea what the consequences would be.

Why have someone tell them they are being dumbasses when they can show it?

Ossoi_sl said:

Does anyone else feel like this show started off like a 9/10 but declined slightly and got less interesting as the season progressed? I just found it harder to pay attention during the later episodes?

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Yup. I gave up watching after episode 5 or 6.
The fight club thing is not really my cup of tea.

I thought they kind of started to address the fallout, no reason to rush it, right now they are still in the early days. We see some minor consequences, see that even in victory the fsociety guys still appear empty, it didn't solve their problems, at least not Darlene and Elliot. Having someone just talk about the fallout, especially like day one, would have been weak. I'd rather they show it next season more naturally.