Sterling
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Some real long grindy games for sure. But Adventures are a great limited mechanic.
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LiquidDeath
Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
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Draft for ELD is soooo looooong.
I don't think I like this super slow meta.
I don't think I like this super slow meta.
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Sterling
El Presidente
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It's definitely slow, but I love long limited games with tons of options and complicated board states.
Angerz
Trakanon Raider
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Esper was a consensus best deck before the last Arena MC, and it was 25% of the field. Assuming the push up of the banlist is specifically a response to MCV decklist submission and seeing the few event results before that, I would put over under of metagame percentage at like 55%. I'm hoping its something insane like 75%.
Reminds me of Jace the Mindsculpter in standard. Card was clearly over powered, but "fine" as a portion of the metagame, but then all of its hunters rotated (BBE, Lightning Bolt, Maelstrom Pulse, Oblivion Ring, Blightning, among others), and the card was able to really just dominate a metagame, leading to its banning.
Kiroy
Marine Biologist
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it's really an interesting dilemma because fotd is a pretty cool card but they just have almost no ways to interact with lands so wtf anyone suppose to do. They needed to introduce interaction (or ban), which it's obvious the choice they made at this point. If they do some shit like banning golos and/or grazer i'm done with mtg though.
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I take my last sentence back and completely reverse, they should actually ban ramp cards not fotd
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LiquidDeath
Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
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Kiroy
Marine Biologist
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ya the more I think about it (and by think about it I mean listening and thinking about the rant crokeyz is going on right now), route, grazer, goose, elf (gone now but still) are such fucked up cards
I know control does counter ramp but still
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LiquidDeath
Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
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I actually love goose. It is one time early ramp, then it has a cost to function by itself. The design of that card is great. Continuous, overwhelming mana advantage like route is just silly.
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Kiroy
Marine Biologist
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goose is fair on the surface but if you think about it it's insane
it ramps you when it's most important (giving you 50% more mana on turn 2), it assfucks agro x 2 (toughness and life via food, agro cannot exist this meta) and it interacts with all the other food cards in the format.
I'd actually be almost willing to say goose is almost as good as the best mtg card ever printed, llanawar elf
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zzeris
King Turd of Shit Hill
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Grazer is definitely a problem card. Having a very good early blocker WITH REACH that also ramps you to 3 mana a turn early is ridiculous. Goose is a problem for two reasons. First, it adds value no matter what happens. It creates something useful even if killed immediately. Second, it's intentionally paired with Oko and shares time with Teferi. Two of the best PWs in history get a mana fixing speed boost. FotD is just too easy to use. Just like Valukut, it should have been a legendary and just like Valukut, it is easy to abuse.
With all that said, I will miss it. It's been fun experimenting with all of the variations. Elemental Fields. Golos Fields. Mass Manipulation Fields. Lots of ways to build it that weren't optimal but very fun. It was fun as fuck to steal their Fields too. I had six a few games and that was hilarious. The card just can't be allowed to continue to warp this meta. They should have brought back Blood Sun. Some cool ass Lotus Field decks would have been nice to see.
With all that said, I will miss it. It's been fun experimenting with all of the variations. Elemental Fields. Golos Fields. Mass Manipulation Fields. Lots of ways to build it that weren't optimal but very fun. It was fun as fuck to steal their Fields too. I had six a few games and that was hilarious. The card just can't be allowed to continue to warp this meta. They should have brought back Blood Sun. Some cool ass Lotus Field decks would have been nice to see.
zzeris
King Turd of Shit Hill
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Maybe so but I disagree. No other standard card is as effective at it's primary use...cheating a 3 mana spell out on Turn 2. No serious player will start with a one mana hand and any serious green deck will play Once Upon a Time which increases the odds of this play. With two powerful 3 mana PWs, the tempo lost can and does end games early. For a specific use one drop, it's pretty powerful. Elves, birds, and geese are all susceptible to response removal and the tempo lost from it. This isn't.
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Sterling
El Presidente
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Except that 1 mana creatures that generate the mana themselves while susceptible to removal also don't require a 3rd land in hand, which is significant. There's a reason people would play 4-8 1 mana dorks and most golos decks run 2 or 3 Grazers.
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LiquidDeath
Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
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Sterling
El Presidente
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ronne
Nǐ hǎo, yǒu jīn zi ma?
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It'll need to be a pretty miserable pro tour for them to even ban Field. They moved the date up to give themselves an out, but I'm sure it's absolutely the last thing they want to do. That would be a level of standard bans unseen since the Urza era, and people aren't gonna keep putting up with it forever.