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pharmakos
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Saw someone on Reddit do the math, according to their numbers with 13 lands you're missing your 3rd land drop often enough for it to not be worth it. And Standard burn wants the third drop, at least.
ronne
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Their math doesn't include the current version of the shuffler fuckery.
The fail rate on a 13 land deck outside their nebulous fuckery is massive and those decks would be completely unplayable. The fact that they function at all is simply hilarious to me. The idea that they would fudge probability so fucking hard just to make their joke of a format less of a joke is not exactly encouraging.
The fail rate on a 13 land deck outside their nebulous fuckery is massive and those decks would be completely unplayable. The fact that they function at all is simply hilarious to me. The idea that they would fudge probability so fucking hard just to make their joke of a format less of a joke is not exactly encouraging.
pharmakos
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The fuckery that smooths out the draw also makes it more likely for said decks to hit their 4th, 5th, etc land drops, I assume. Which is what the 13 land deck was hoping to avoid?
If the shuffler is making a 13 land deck hit the same land draws as a 22 land deck or w/e then I don't see what advantage it's giving.
If the shuffler is making a 13 land deck hit the same land draws as a 22 land deck or w/e then I don't see what advantage it's giving.
Tmac
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ronne
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They haven't actually given us the nitty gritty on what their algorithms are doing behind the scenes, so it's not really possible to get hard numbers. Their vague patch notes about it just talked about "smoothing" out draws and removing extreme outliers in draws.
The fact that a 13 land deck is even viable to play at all speaks volumes about just how much behind the scenes nonsense is happening with their shuffler and other mechanisms though.
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Kiroy
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meh show me out of 100 games or 500 games
the real irony behind this is people are getting butthurt but it works because they made the algo so you don't get shuffle screwed nearly as much as in real life, the fact that it works is a good thing
Punko
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Kiroy
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Tmac
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I just played TWO GAMES IN A ROW where I lost bc I got mana flooded w 5 lands using a 13 land deck.
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Punko
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I wanted to run a quick ranked event to show of the decks quality, and got stuck on one land twice after mulling and scry.
Maybe I should cut it down to 10 lands, along with your average draw that seems perfect.
Tmac
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I've played about 5 games thus far and the land draw is all over the place. Typically if I start with 1 land, I'll end with 2 or 5. But, if I start with 2 lands, its GG pretty quickly and everything falls into place perfectly.
Tmac
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No idea.
But, I did draw 7 lands during one of my tournament matches against @a_skeleton_02, lol. Pulled over half my lands during the first game and ultimately got mana flooded both games and he whooped my butt.
13 lands man. The maths are wild.
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zzeris
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I can seriously say that the opponent pairing system has made this game even less fun than Hearthstone. Playing against U aggro cancer 90% of the time is similar to cutting myself and pouring salt on the wound for giggles. I used to shit on Blizzard for never learning from their mistakes but MTG keeps making cheap fucking counters, cheap hexproof spells, cheap fucking card draw, and cheap fucking OP blue flyers. Siren Stormbringer is ridiculous for it's cost but adding all the other shit to it is retarded. It was supposed to be unfun when counters stopped you from playing the game. Doing the same shit but in 5 turns instead of 30 is not a huge improvement. GJ WotC. Salty as fuck after a month of this shit.
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