MTG thread

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

Zaide said:
This ignores the fact that many people enjoy magic as a collectible. Not only does it make collecting the cards more of a burden, it also makes any given version of the card feel worth less while probably costing more to have the “collection”.

It's only more of a burden if your goal was to collect literally every single variant of every single card. Otherwise it's just more options. *Shrugs*

And re: the "overprinting" argument from others, does anyone have the actual numbers to know whether or not they're actually printing way more cards? Couldn't they be printing close to the same amount as before just divided among more art styles?

OneofOne · Dec 14, 2022

Warr said:
Alt arts seem to be alright. It looks more like 4 different sketch variants though.

!"elesh norn, mother of machines" include:extras

14 Magic cards found where the name is exactly “elesh norn, mother of machines”

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There are currently 9 unique card numbers for this card. 4 unique art + phyrexian language + 4 of those in a brand new foil treatment. There should also be normal foiling of at least the base version and phyrexian language (if not more) so that puts it at 11 variants so far. Give it time, there may be more!

ronne · Dec 14, 2022

Paying attention to Magic has become literally exhausting.

I've not even had a chance to draft Brother's War and spoilers are already starting for the new set. Also there's been 37 secret lairs in the last month and 15 new commander decks and a remaster set and also some Transformers cards somewhere?

I'm just gonna sit here and play legacy and get super grumpy whenever someone "takes the initiative"

Zaide · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
It's only more of a burden if your goal was to collect literally every single variant of every single card. Otherwise it's just more options. *Shrugs*

And re: the "overprinting" argument from others, does anyone have the actual numbers to know whether or not they're actually printing way more cards? Couldn't they be printing close to the same amount as before just divided among more art styles?

It’s like you don’t understand what collecting is.

OneofOne · Dec 14, 2022

ronne said:
Paying attention to Magic has become literally exhausting.

I've not even had a chance to draft Brother's War and spoilers are already starting for the new set. Also there's been 37 secret lairs in the last month and 15 new commander decks and a remaster set and also some Transformers cards somewhere?

I'm just gonna sit here and play legacy and get super grumpy whenever someone "takes the initiative"

Or becomes The Monarch? lol I feel you, man.

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

Zaide said:
It’s like you don’t understand what collecting is.

Hey at least they're making sure you'll always have goals?

P.s. If you can afford collecting on that level, could you loan me $100 for a new futon?

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

ronne said:
Paying attention to Magic has become literally exhausting.

I've not even had a chance to draft Brother's War and spoilers are already starting for the new set. Also there's been 37 secret lairs in the last month and 15 new commander decks and a remaster set and also some Transformers cards somewhere?

I'm just gonna sit here and play legacy and get super grumpy whenever someone "takes the initiative"

And you'll be happier for it.

The meek shall inherit the earth. Magic is for casuals now.

Derpa · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
It's only more of a burden if your goal was to collect literally every single variant of every single card. Otherwise it's just more options. *Shrugs*

And re: the "overprinting" argument from others, does anyone have the actual numbers to know whether or not they're actually printing way more cards? Couldn't they be printing close to the same amount as before just divided among more art styles?

It has become a burden for us and our group because of the format/cube we play and all the different versions of shit.

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

Derpa said:
It has become a burden for us and our group because of the format/cube we play and all the different versions of shit.

So change your format.

Or, rather, don't let it change your format, maybe.

Literally more options does nothing but fuck over compulsive people lol

Derpa · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
So change your format.

Or, rather, don't let it change your format, maybe.

Literally more options does nothing but fuck over compulsive people lol

We were not going to let it change our 16+ year old format anyways, but it "literally" fucks over some of us non-compulsive people with increased costs and time.

fanaskin · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
It's only more of a burden if your goal was to collect literally every single variant of every single card. Otherwise it's just more options. *Shrugs*

And re: the "overprinting" argument from others, does anyone have the actual numbers to know whether or not they're actually printing way more cards? Couldn't they be printing close to the same amount as before just divided among more art styles?

it's definitely cost something, people used to have like every card memorized by the art, that's not really possible anymore, kinda makes you lose connection to the game a bit. it's subtle but I think it's a real thing.

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

It's a 30 year old game that's had more and more cards added to it over time, people that have every card memorized are not the target audience.

pharmakos · Dec 14, 2022

I don't get out to the LGS much anymore but I always thought it was awesome when someone laid a boss Mythic Rare that I had to stop and read. I think between the two they're going for "sense of wonder" over "a game where everyone knows everything" and I like it. *Shrugs*

fanaskin · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
It's a 30 year old game that's had more and more cards added to it over time, people that have every card memorized are not the target audience.

I saw someone with a breakdown a week ago claiming that the player base is basically 1/3rd of people who started in last 2 years, 1/3rd of people who started more than 5 years ago and 1/3rd that are 10 year plus.

I think the avg player can go back like nearly 10 years in their head of cards.

fanaskin · Dec 14, 2022

pharmakos said:
I don't get out to the LGS much anymore but I always thought it was awesome when someone laid a boss Mythic Rare that I had to stop and read.

well I mean it's not really the pre internet era anymore and everythings spoiled now but generally what you describe here seemed to happen when you draft the set and you see cool stuff and go "what's that?" that's not lost at all with what I was describing.

what I was talking about is after that experience

fanaskin · Dec 15, 2022

seems relevant

OneofOne · Dec 15, 2022

pharmakos said:
I don't get out to the LGS much anymore but I always thought it was awesome when someone laid a boss Mythic Rare that I had to stop and read. I think between the two they're going for "sense of wonder" over "a game where everyone knows everything" and I like it. *Shrugs*

You think they are going for EITHER of those two things?

Papa Hasbro is laughing at you. At all of us.

Ukerric · Dec 15, 2022

OneofOne said:
You think they are going for EITHER of those two things?

Papa Hasbro is laughing at you. At all of us.

"Laughs in Magic30"

It's exactly like modern video games. They're not designing their sets for the average player, they're designing their sets to milk the whales that will splurge massive amounts to collect everything. Each variant, each set, each secret lair thing is to hook 'dem whale. So what if card design suffers and you have to ban a septillion cards? Who cares, as long as the whale pod keeps circling over the Ebay and Amazon store (which gives them more money, who cares about the LGS).

Mist · Dec 16, 2022

Two kids of people complain about MTG:

1) People who really don't play MTG and haven't for decades.
2) People who play way too much MTG.

If you're not at either end of the spectrum there, the game looks pretty decent, about as good as it always has been, which is to say not perfect but still run better than any other game that's been out even half as long. Comparing Wizards of the Coast to Blizzard and WOTC looks like immortal geniuses.

OneofOne · Dec 17, 2022

Well uh... that is definitely a Mist take.

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