NBA 2014 - 2015 Season Thread
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Gilgamel
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He has an opt out every year of the deal, but if he left again the Cleveland fans would kill him, it won't happen.
Wouldn't matter. You don't dump a team, then come back and have them mortgage their future only to leave again when things don't work out right away. It's like ripping someone's heart out then coming back a couple years later to shoot the corpse in the head just to make sure it's dead.
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DickTrickle
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For the month of January (10 games), he's averaging 21 pts, 5.3 rebs, 2.9 asts, 1.4 stls, 0.6 blks and only 2 tos on .478/.394/.860 splits. He's 19 and every month he's improved. That's not nothing.
PatrickStar
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The irony is Lebron dictated the moves. Was it management or James that didn't have the patience? Or both? By going with Irving (who I think is overrated) and Love (tons of talk for years that is numbers are inflated) it was instant gratification. Sticking with Wiggins and letting him grow and rehabbing Bennett into a sixth man was going to take too long. James the GM isn't looking so good right now.
Djay
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I posted in the offseason thread when the trade was still a rumor how I thought keeping the players on the rookie contracts was the best move instead of getting themselves caught in the same cap struggle that Miami had been in trying to put role players around 3 max guys. Still conceivable that the Cavs get things rolling by the playoffs and put a run together...but there's no question they mortgaged a very promising future for what could be a 1-year rental.
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10 games. Superstar.
He's improving and it's nice to see, but I doubt he ever gets as good as he'll need to in order to make any impact in MN. Dude has a very high floor. He's going to be a good player and there is little question of that, but he needs to be way better than that for this team to be any good.
Pharazon
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Heavens no, Wiggins hasn't turned the team around and led them to the playoffs in his first season as a 19 yo....fact is, he'll probably take them further than Love ever did within a few years. I know you love Love and probably get pissed seeing how Cleveland uses him, but if he were still in Minny instead of Wiggins they'd likely still be missing the playoffs yet again. At least now they have a chance to build the right way (the OKC way). The circumstances gave them the fortune of replacing their star with an immediate #1 pick. It's like a year head start on tanking - you don't have to do through that first season of suck without the chance to watch any legit prospects grow as you tank.
Araxen
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The Wolves will be better off with Wiggins than with Love. Flip did a very good job with that trade. When all our starters were healthy the team was pretty fun to watch. Sadly that basically only lasted a month before losing most of our starting lineup to injury which is the reason why the team is doing to so terrible this season. It's not like we were going to the playoffs either way but what could have been a 25 win season turned in to a 10 win season possibly.
I'm glad Love is gone but I think he's getting a really raw deal in Cleveland. Kyrie Irving is the problem in Cleveland not Love. Kyrie is even worse on defense than Love, but nobody seems to want to admit that in Cleveland.
I'm glad Love is gone but I think he's getting a really raw deal in Cleveland. Kyrie Irving is the problem in Cleveland not Love. Kyrie is even worse on defense than Love, but nobody seems to want to admit that in Cleveland.
Gilgamel
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Half the PGs in the league are terrible on defense, if not more. Stretch fours who don't play defense are common too, but they don't make the money Love does. The combination of the two of them with lackadaisical defense throughout the roster is what is killing them, along with Blatt using Love like he's fucking 32 year old Rashard Lewis and not one of the ten best offensive players in the league. Seriously watch them, he spends the whole game spotting up and the vaunted pick and pop game everyone talked about is barely used.
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At the point where you have to trade Love, Wiggins is about as good of value as you could possibly get back. So, I agree. Flip did as well as he could have there. I never would have traded him to begin with but we have been over that before.
But you guys are fucking nuts to declare his future better than Love's after one month of good play (and a couple months of Blatt's shitty offense). Wiggins is going to be a good player. There is little question of that. He has to be a top 5 player unless the Wolves luck into Okafor this draft. We have zero star power outside of him on the whole roster.
Gilg, you're completely right. Love is being used atrociously in that offense, but I have to correct you on one thing. There is really no evidence that Love is a bad defensive player. A weakside shotblocker like you want from your bigs? Of course not, but his teams have consistently allowed less points with him on the floor than otherwise. He's not a star on that end of the court but he's not a "stretch 4 who doesn't play defense."
Kyrie is a really good scorer the problem is that's all he is. I have no clue how a starting PG in the NBA only averages 5 APG. He is really gifted at putting the ball through the hoop though.
But you guys are fucking nuts to declare his future better than Love's after one month of good play (and a couple months of Blatt's shitty offense). Wiggins is going to be a good player. There is little question of that. He has to be a top 5 player unless the Wolves luck into Okafor this draft. We have zero star power outside of him on the whole roster.
Gilg, you're completely right. Love is being used atrociously in that offense, but I have to correct you on one thing. There is really no evidence that Love is a bad defensive player. A weakside shotblocker like you want from your bigs? Of course not, but his teams have consistently allowed less points with him on the floor than otherwise. He's not a star on that end of the court but he's not a "stretch 4 who doesn't play defense."
Kyrie is a really good scorer the problem is that's all he is. I have no clue how a starting PG in the NBA only averages 5 APG. He is really gifted at putting the ball through the hoop though.
Pharazon
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^ I see a new stat like that almost every day. The plus / minus on the entire starting lineup is just ridiculous because they're building big leads so quickly and limiting the starter minutes. Every guy in the starting lineup is in the top 20 all time right now for +/- per 48 mins played for a season (which has only been tracked since around 2000). Bogut's is actually higher than Curry's.
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I'm not trying to just instantly rag on this, but raw plus minus doesn't give much context about individual performance. All this says is the Warriors are really good and their starters blow out other teams. It certainly does not tell us that Draymond Green is one of the best players ever (I promise I know that isn't what you're saying).
I do think the adjusted +/- advanced stuff are the best metrics out there right now evaluating player performance. No one ever suggests to just look at one number, but these take a lot more in account than just box score data and the results very often mirror what the general consensus about the players are (Harden is actually trying ton defense this year, Gobert kills it on D but sucks on the other end, opposite of that for Melo).
Anyway, long story short, Curry is destroying the league this year. Assuming he doesn't fall apart (and it certainly doesnt look like he will), he's the MVP in a landslide.