NBA 2015-2016 Season thread

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I don't think any of us are really disagreeing on anything. Curry is great. If he maintains this level of play until his body starts to wear he'll be remembered as one of the best. Even if he would regress for whatever reason he'll probably go down as the greatest shooter ever. That's projecting things but I can't imagine his shot suddenly not falling.

The only reason age was brought up is in comparison to LeBron or Anthony Davis assuming he turns things around is that both of those guys started playing at MVP level as 21 year olds. Curry played really well his whole career but didn't quit make that jump until 26. 5 less years of MVP seasons is a knock like it or not.

None of that takes away just how great he is now.
 
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I agree, sticking around to help build a team in a small market does negatively impact ones legacy over simply wracking up amazing stats hero-balling on shitty teams then bailing on your home-town team and shacking up with 2 other all-star+ free agents to buy some championships.

Jordan and Lebron were both the same age winning their first championship and they're both all-time greats. Not a coincidence! Steph wasted so many years becoming more than just an all-star player and he's only barely won his first championship?

Not that winning rings should matter. We put too much emphasis on individual championship rings and not enough emphasis on individual regular season stats! Curry will never be a real great because he actually buys into team basketball and winning over personal stats/glory.

In conclusion, James Harden.
 
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popsicledeath_sl said:
I agree, sticking around to help build a team in a small market does negatively impact ones legacy over simply wracking up amazing stats hero-balling on shitty teams then bailing on your home-town team and shacking up with 2 other all-star+ free agents to buy some championships.

Jordan and Lebron were both the same age winning their first championship and they're both all-time greats. Not a coincidence! Steph wasted so many years becoming more than just an all-star player and he's only barely won his first championship?

Not that winning rings should matter. We put too much emphasis on individual championship rings and not enough emphasis on individual regular season stats! Curry will never be a real great because he actually buys into team basketball and winning over personal stats/glory.

In conclusion, James Harden.
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Yeah of course there can be literally nothing in the middle it has to be one extreme or the other.
 
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Ambiturner_sl said:
You serious with this shit?
What Curry's doing blows Ray Allen out of the water.
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The stats don't really back that up. The 3PT shooting percentages are very similar except RA and Miller did it for like 20 years. I'm not saying Curry isn't playing bananas and that he isn't awesome, he is for sure. It's just real early for legacy talk.

P.S. The clippers blow.
 
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Yeah, basing legacy on titles is retarded. This isn't bowling, golf, boxing, or tennis. You can maybe use it as a tie-breaker for guys that are otherwise relatively even, but even the greatest like Bird, Magic, and Michael didn't do it on their own. I wouldn't rate Malone or Stockton any higher if they had pulled out title wins against the Bulls. I wouldn't rate Hakeem any lower if he didn't get his two titles while Jordan was retired. Titles are a lazy and uninformed barometer for measuring greatness.
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Dirk did it without another All-Star team mate and went through Kobe and Phil, KD/Westbrook/Harden, and LeBron/Wade/Bosh. Just sayin'.

He did have Carlisle though.
 
Slaythe

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I don't think their 3 PT %s are very close at all. Through 7 seasons I'm ready to crown Steph the greatest volume shooter the league has ever seen. You are right that I'm projecting, but his shooting would have to fall off pretty significantly to fall out of elite percentages.

I mean check this out...here's every season of elite volume 3 point shooting the league has ever seen. > 40% and more than 6.5 attempts a game:

Player Season Finder | Basketball-Reference.com

Steph has already done that 4 times.
 
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a_skeleton_06_sl said:
The stats don't really back that up. The 3PT shooting percentages are very similar except RA and Miller did it for like 20 years. I'm not saying Curry isn't playing bananas and that he isn't awesome, he is for sure. It's just real early for legacy talk.

P.S. The clippers blow.
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What? Curry's 3P% is much higher and he shoots a lot more of them.

He's also just as accurate with a defender within 2 feet of him as he is wide open. Curry's on a completely different level than Ray Allen
 
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Yeah, RA and Steph aren't really statistically close at all. Allen had multiple seasons when his 3PT% was less than 40%. Curry's has never been under 42%. Curry is shooting almost 46% this year so far. With 222 attempts! That's already more attempts than Allen had in entireseasons. It's very likely he's going to shatter his own single season 3PM record. Again.

Also, I don't know of too many plays where Allen pulled this off.

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Steph Curry can get his own shot off better (both quicker and without relying on screens or other movement) than Reggie Miller or Ray Allen (who were taller, to boot). I think that's the one skill that really stands out from some of these other premier three point shooters. The sheer volume is amazing too, of course.
 
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I'm not the Champion of Ray Allen or anything but my only real point is longevity, related to legacy. 3 more years probably seals the deal for Curry. RA had 8 years north of 40% and they have a very similar ORTG per 100 possessions. Ray had 2 35% seasons but come on, he played for 18 years.

tl;dr Ray Allen was really good. Curry could be WAY better. More time plz.

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Curry is well on his way to being the best shooter of all-time. Coming from a huge fan of Reggie's. Obviously I want to see if Curry can keep this up. If he ends up dropping 30 ppg with his efficiency from three, that would be incredible, but its not MJ level stuff. He is exciting as fuck to watch play, especially against these shitty teams.

GIF above is perfect, fuck the clippers (lowercase that overrated shithole).


Btw, watching a ton regular season games so far this year from a wide variety of teams (even some considered to be "good"), regular season basketball has just gotten god-awful. Definitely not 90s basketball. Let's just skip to the playoffs.
 
Slaythe

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Convo_sl said:
Crazy but Embiid has grown 2 inches since we drafted him.
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Are you still drinking the Okafor kool aid? He's been pretty horrendous from an efficiency standpoint...like bottom of the league awful. I knowsomeof that is the 6ers lack of shooters which allows defenses to collapse on him, but it's gotta be concerning.

The one good news is he's only playing sort of bad on the defensive side of the ball. He's never going to make any all defensive teams but I think he'll grow to not be a net negative on that side of the ball which is a big plus considering that was considered his biggest weakness going into the draft.

There's also the question of if he's an actual shithead of just an immature kid.

Anyway, I'm happy we have Towns.
 
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I kind of expected it, now that teams have figured out he's the only player on the Sixers at the moment with any offensive ability. If you put shooters around him I think he becomes Al Jefferson 2.0, an automatic 20-10 who doesn't give you a ton defensively. My fear is the losing turns him into a headcase before the team has a chance to turn around, we'll see I guess.

I'm not too concerned with the outbursts, he's a 19 year old kid who has never lost at any level, there are going to be some growing pains.
 
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