NBA 2015-2016 Season thread

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Yeah I thought the Al Jefferson comps were pretty solid around draft time. Okafor probably has thepotentialto be a little better defensively if he has the mind for it too thanks to his size. I know Big Al had that one playoff season in Charlotte where he had a pretty decent defensive year but that hasn't really held up across his career.

One thing with Jefferson too, and I fear Okafor shares the same trait, is while the eye test would show him as an absolutely gifted post scorer with advanced footwork and moves, he would avoid contact so much he never really got to the line at a rate comparable to other big men. It's hard for some people to wrap their head around the idea that a player like Al Jefferson just isn't the most efficient scorer in the world when you look at the stat line he puts up and watch just how easily it seems scoring comes to him, but free throws are a pretty important element to post scoring and some of the more finesse scorers down low just don't get there enough. It's too early to say that'll hold true for Okafor but 3.8 FTAs for a guy shooting the ball 16 times a game is not very great. He's a rooke, so it maybe changes, but it's a red flag to watch for sure.
 
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I'm not concerned about Okafor. He's had some pretty incredible nights and he will continue to improve. He has some sick moves for a big man. The kid has so much upside. He just doesn't have a lot of help but With Wroten Back and Covington starting to get his shot back, I think it will open him up a bit more. Plus we just don't want to win and there are times it's obvious by the substitutions being made during the game. I know you're happy with Towns but Okafor took it to him last game. He flat out owned him that first half. I think that says a lot about his competitive nature and you can't see that on a stat sheet. He wants to be the best. I'm looking forward to the rematch in January. I'll be there live.

The off the court shit is silly but that's the shit I was doing at that age too. He just has a lot of money and talent and needs someone to check his ego.
 
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Man.. Dubs didn't do much right tonight aside from Curry and Klay's shooting. Not great D, bad rebounding, lost the turnover battles 12 to 6, Lowry was great on the other side, on the road. The Raptors had built a 3 point lead with a few minutes left in the game, and it looked the like Warriors might run out of steam. It would have been so easy to say well it was a good run but its over. Curry just didn't want to lose. 44 spot, 21-0.

Gonna be tough though having that as the first of 3 in 4 days on the road.
 
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I'm not concerned about Okafor. He's had some pretty incredible nights and he will continue to improve. He has some sick moves for a big man. The kid has so much upside. He just doesn't have a lot of help but With Wroten Back and Covington starting to get his shot back, I think it will open him up a bit more. Plus we just don't want to win and there are times it's obvious by the substitutions being made during the game. I know you're happy with Towns but Okafor took it to him last game. He flat out owned him that first half. I think that says a lot about his competitive nature and you can't see that on a stat sheet. He wants to be the best. I'm looking forward to the rematch in January. I'll be there live.

The off the court shit is silly but that's the shit I was doing at that age too. He just has a lot of money and talent and needs someone to check his ego.
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So yes, you are still drinking the kool aid.

Towns got in early foul trouble and played a total of 19 minutes. Credit Okafor for attacking early, but I wouldn't really put much stock into the 12 total minutes they matched up against each other.

I don't question Okafor's footwork or post moves. I question if his nifty moves avoid contact so much he won't hit the efficiency mark to be a guy worth taking so many shots. Again, that's what all the Al Jefferson analysis was about. Big Al was a 20 and 10 guy for almost a decade. Analysts as early as 5 years ago would look at that and say that's a player that definitely helps a team win, but the truth is you're not helping a team a ton by shooting 17 times and only taking 3 free throws a game.

Anyway, he's a rookie. Things could turn around. I know Hinkie is an analytical guide. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see Okafor given a ton of touches and then traded sometime in the next couple years similar to what he did with MCW, another guy that puts up numbers but really isn't very good.
 
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Oak was the reason Towns got in foul trouble. Sixers may stink but they do have really good developmental coaches. Noel has improved a lot since last year and I expect the same with Oakafor.

We will have to see what happens with Embiid. Next season is going to be so interesting to watch. I don't know how Browm handles Oakafor, Noel and Embiid plus Saric and draft picks.
 
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Didn't get to see the Raptors game last night as I was at a Postmodern Jukebox concert...I guess I'm glad they played them close, but it still goes down as a loss in December. Between that and the Hawkeyes losing last night, it hasn't been a good sports weekend. Hoping the Vikings can turn that trend around with a win today.

Is there a good spot online to get all the NBA daily scores/highlights in the old 90s ESPN format where they basically do a 2-5 minute condensed version of the game, then show the important stats and maybe some post-game interviews? I kinda get that on leaguepass, but I have to go game-by-game. Just checking if any of you have a nice resource for that sort of thing.
 
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Convo_sl said:
We will have to see what happens with Embiid. Next season is going to be so interesting to watch. I don't know how Browm handles Oakafor, Noel and Embiid plus Saric and draft picks.
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I'll be honest, I don't have much hope of ever seeing Embiid in a Sixers uniform. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it happens, and I still think it was worth the chance. If he does pan out I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Hinkie pull another MCW with Okafor, like Slaythe said.
 
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Pacers came out tonight looking like they thought they could outgun us (and they've had some great shooting nights this year so it's understandable, at home especially) ... Klay with 39 pts on 10 3's through three quarters and the team has 111.
 
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GSW shouldn't have allowed the Pacers to come back as much as they did. Being up 30 and only winning by eight is lame.

What's up with Curry's FTs lately?
 
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Fucking bench plays no D, forces the starters to re-enter, and Klay rolls his ankle =(
 
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I really don't mind losing games this year. Especially ones like this last Clippers game where we're in it until the very end. We need a PF big time and no one on the roster now is going to be that guy so another lottery pick isn't the worst thing in the world.

But, every single statistical metric shows Rubio/Lavine/Wiggins as a core that plays extremely well together. Unfortunately, Mitchell refuses to give the three of them meaningful minutes. It's really frustrating.
 
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I started off really well on draftkings, but had a couple things start messing me up (people getting pulled from lineups at the last minute) and lost most of what I had built up. Took a break, tried again this week and played Leonard the night Pop rested his starters, then just got stomped on fanduel last night by all the people that took Klay Thompson. Think I might be done...no idea what changed from doubling my money every night to now...I thought it might be that I was looking at season statistics instead of recent trends, so I just based the analysis off the last 15 days and still couldn't even get in the top half of a double-up. Maybe I need individual match-up data to make the leap? I don't know...I'm obviously missing something.
 
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It's a numbers game. I only play tournaments and usually have a few strategy's but sometimes you need to just have a few In mind and play multiple lineups. For instance, I like to play people going against GS. Just not anyone guarding Curry b/c he throws people off their game. But I ran George in all my lineups last night. I've come in 2nd twice and 5th in basketball. All in tournaments with 50-80k people in them.

Finding value plays and being right about them is the biggest key.
 
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Convo_sl said:
It's a numbers game. I only play tournaments and usually have a few strategy's but sometimes you need to just have a few In mind and play multiple lineups. For instance, I like to play people going against GS. Just not anyone guarding Curry b/c he throws people off their game. But I ran George in all my lineups last night. I've come in 2nd twice and 5th in basketball. All in tournaments with 50-80k people in them.

Finding value plays and being right about them is the biggest key.
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Yeah, after my post I did a little research. I had two different lineups last night where I changed everyone except Harden, Davis, Hayward, and Draymond as my constants because they were all really good values for their prices. All but Hayward had off nights. I did a little more digging and even though I somewhat account for pace, I wasn't looking at usage rate which makes my lineups more susceptible to duds. Seems like I've been generally on track for what I'm doing...just a string of bad luck.
 
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So here is my most recent win.. My reaches were hill, Affalo and Pope but I also felt good playing them bc I knew they were playing teams that can put up a lot of points. Guys like Clarkston and Covington were already playing well and had great value. I prob look at mins too much but I love playing guys who get a ton of minutes just incase they have a hot game. My logic is pretty basic but it's worked well for me.

 
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That's not something that would be relevant in my case as I only play tournaments which are 50K plus people most of the time. My initial investment was $200 for the matching money(turns out they don't really match, for every $25 played you get a $1 from them) last year during the NFL playoffs. I didn't do well so moved to basketball. Ran the money out, got a free play for MLB opening day and hit for $3. I took that money and played the NBA and won $1500 then another $3800 plus some $20/50/100 type wins. All and all I'm up about 6k and find the NBA to be the easiest. There will be night's I'll play $20 worth of lineups for 1 or 2 dollars and lose on most of them but hit on one worth $20 or so. I break even a lot.

Also, I like playing when there are only 4 games or so going on. The late night stuff. You do end up sharing more of the pot with people who have the same lineups but it's money.
 
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My Warriors broadcast tonight has the the Boston commentators and these guys are the worst. They are everything people hate about Boston fans. Stupid accents. Spending more time bitching about refs than talking about the game. And of course taking breaks to talk about the Pats. I've never heard a broadcast talk about a non-related sport as much as these fuckheads.
 
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Tommy Heinsohn is the biggest homer ever...I think I've mentioned before that I like to watch the other team's broadcasts on LeaguePass for Raptors games to hear another perspective, but I will not watch Boston's feed. Miami is just as bad. Lakers, too. I seem to remember not liking Orlando's feed either...Dominique in Atlanta and Drexler in Houston make those feeds bad at times, as well.
 
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