New World

tyen said:

Amazon is banking on content creation through twitch & lumberyard. I think it's A+, and really glad these guys understand the concept of out-of-game content.

I thought the engine was crap for the everyday man, it needs at least 5 years of development.

Amazon is hiring a fuckton of people right now at their game studios in CA & WA.

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Hook it up dawg. I'm a network dude!

I don't see anything there that's a new release from them. Could be fun, but likely a bust.

This is how Westworld starts.

mkopec said:

Would be cool if it was 19th century, with cowboys and indians type of thing. nothing like this exists other than Red Dead, which I dont think is persistent. The whole fantasy thing is just getting old. shit, I would love a good futuristic shooter mmorog, like a better made Destiny with more content, open world, dungeons, etc...

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I always said a Starcraft themed MMO would be great. You could have the right mix of Destiny and WoW mechanics with "raids" infiltrating bases and shit like some of those indoor SC1 missions. It would basically be my wet dream for MMO's.

As long as I can ransack native villages, steal all their religious idols, sell the idols back to them, and then use their idolatry as justification to ransack them again, I'm in.

Crafted is best items/gear..lost it for me.

I'm sure you'll need a rare Ancient Ent Penis or whatever to craft the best shiny gear that someone will kill you and steal.

So do we get the ability to exterminate a race?

Yeahs73 said:

Crafted is best items/gear..lost it for me.

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It's easy to tie crafting into endgame gear. Drops from raid bosses can't be dropped, and they can only be created by crafters who have killed the boss (character flag) and the gear can only be worn by characters who have killed the boss (same character flag!).

Voila; best gear in the game as an average is crafted but can only be used by people that have actually beaten the content. Think POT from EQ, except instead of the dropped turn-in stuff being the best, the elemental crafted stuff was the best and only people with the proper elemental filled stones could equip them. Same shit, more modability/choice on what gets made, and you end up with less rotting paladin crap.

Rezz said:

It's easy to tie crafting into endgame gear. Drops from raid bosses can't be dropped, and they can only be created by crafters who have killed the boss (character flag) and the gear can only be worn by characters who have killed the boss (same character flag!).

Voila; best gear in the game as an average is crafted but can only be used by people that have actually beaten the content. Think POT from EQ, except instead of the dropped turn-in stuff being the best, the elemental crafted stuff was the best and only people with the proper elemental filled stones could equip them. Same shit, more modability/choice on what gets made, and you end up with less rotting paladin crap.

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Yeah, there are plenty of ways to design this well. Problem is there are more ways to design it poorly. Just like every aspect of an MMO.

There's also the question of how much "better" a crafted item is or if it's augmenting raid drops. So perhaps you take your Hopebringer from PoTime and it has an augment slot (type 8). Maybe the best type 8 augments are crafted from raid dropped materials, or a separate raid-only drop can be applied by crafters as an additional augmentation (perhaps with options – would you like +1 damage, +4 AC, or +25 HP?).

FFXIV has an "overmeld" system. Most armor (and weapon) pieces have two materia slots (and accessories have just one). If that armor is crafted (instead of vendor-bought/dropped), then crafters can apply up to five materia to the armor, but the chance is reduced and so it can be quit costly (a typical materia "meld" is always successful, but the 4th slot has just a 7% chance of success, and 5th slot is only 5%). This combats inflation while providing marginal gains for high prices.

Perhaps that crappy Paladin sword doesn't drop at all – instead of the Hopebringer, you get shiny_sword_hilt_73 that is a component used in the creation a weapon for any tank class. This shiny_sword_hilt_73 is no drop and used by a crafter to create shiny_unfinished_sword_73 which is droppable but must be combined when equipped with shiny_smithy_gauntlets_73 that are no drop, come from another PoTime boss, and consumed upon use. This would require you to have crafters on your raid team, creates a money sink for end-game players, results in less rot loot, and doesn't filter down the best drops in the game to anyone who doesn't "deserve" it.

Or maybe the most epic sword in all the land, Excalibur, requires you to do tradeskills as a hurdle in the quest. Maybe crafters can sharpen that Hopebringer from PoTime and create a Hopebringer +1.

Rezz said:

It's easy to tie crafting into endgame gear. Drops from raid bosses can't be dropped, and they can only be created by crafters who have killed the boss (character flag) and the gear can only be worn by characters who have killed the boss (same character flag!).

Voila; best gear in the game as an average is crafted but can only be used by people that have actually beaten the content. Think POT from EQ, except instead of the dropped turn-in stuff being the best, the elemental crafted stuff was the best and only people with the proper elemental filled stones could equip them. Same shit, more modability/choice on what gets made, and you end up with less rotting paladin crap.

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I read it more as there aren"t gear drops and everything will be crafted.

The idea behind the crafting is nice, but I'm interested in how crafting will actually take place.

Supposedly people being invited in to their studios to to test/play. Anyone see/hear any leaks yet?

This is really the only AAA MMO in development that isn't some Korean shit.

Teekey said:

Supposedly people being invited in to their studios to to test/play. Anyone see/hear any leaks yet?

This is really the only AAA MMO in development that isn't some Korean shit.

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This, Pantheon, Ashes of Creation, and... um... yeah, that's it.

Randin said:

This, Pantheon, Ashes of Creation, and... um... yeah, that's it.

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Neither Pantheon or Ashes can be considered AAA despite the hype for them...they're both crowd funded.

Eonan said:

Neither Pantheon or Ashes can be considered AAA despite the hype for them...they're both crowd funded.

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Yeah, that’s fair.

Let’s instead say “the only MMOs in development, period, that aren’t some Korean shit”.

Aamry said:

The idea behind the crafting is nice, but I'm interested in how crafting will actually take place.

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It's gonna feature some amazing pendulum QTE events (ping based) where the outcome depends on your reaction and the number of inputs increases with quality and skill level. Your basic sword made from iron at level 5 only requires three perfect swings, while forging deathsword, slayer of things and stuff, legendary sword at the skill cap demands it all from you with one hundred perfect QTE clicks, similar to GTA San Andreas dance missions.

Never played San Andreas dance missions, but thanks for that nightmare Quinloe

Randin said:

Yeah, that’s fair.

Let’s instead say “the only MMOs in development, period, that aren’t some Korean shit”.

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Just wait for the World of Diablo4craft announcement!