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Sir Funk

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This is the type of games eagles pull out. Nobody expecting it.
I def don't disagree that this could be the week for the Vikes to lose, but that's just the Minnesotan in me talking.

Hard to imagine the Vikes could lose to anyone after giving Zim 2 weeks to scheme, though!
 

Ambiturner

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Haven't heard anyone state it's all Dak. I certainly am not. It's a LOT easier for him behind that O line and with Zeke doing what he's been doing (also as noted, your D has played pretty well last couple weeks). But Dak IS doing some things on his own that are contributing. If you think you put the carousel of backups you had playing last year in for him and you're 5-1, you're nuts.

Again, not all Dak, probably not even mostly Dak. But he's contributing, he's not just doing nothing handing the ball off every play.

That's going pretty far the other way. Dak's played very very well. There's been some issues with accuracy and there have been many times he just didn't see a completely wide open receiver. The run game and Oline have been able to hide these deficiencies pretty well, but he's not as perfect as the knee jerk analysts have been saying
 

Jozu

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That Burfict low hit was fucking barbaric. He literally lunged low and targeted his knees!

People tend to think football players are some sort of robotic supermen in helemets and pads who fly around autonomously trying to get to the ball. But picture Burfict with no football gear diving low like that. That shit was anamalistic and calculated.

Also, the Las Vegas Raiders are going to be a thing and it might save the NFL.
 

moontayle

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Moon, this feels like you were praising the Patriots just so you could raise Romo's standing vs. Brady by comparison by claiming Brady has always had much better teams around him. This, just isn't the case, although I agree completely they are a fantastically coached team. Half the time they're taking castoffs from other teams to fill holes at RB. In the early years, Brady didn't have nearly the talent catching balls from him that he has had more recently in his career...and he won 3 SB's back then.

I'll agree Romo hasn't always had the best teams around him, but he has played with one future Hall of Famer in Witten, and had TO (who will also get in) for 3 years.
You're making me look up Brady stats. I hate you.

Yeah, the years he won the Super Bowl in the early 00's just makes my point. He wasn't exactly the world beater he became when Moss landed in his lap. In fact, up until that point his best season was probably 2005, when he didn't make the Super Bowl, and that 2007 year was the first time he didn't throw double digit interceptions. Hmm... maybe when you surround a good to great QB with offensive talent things turn out good. Maybe? Brady was a key component to those SB teams, I'll agree. A lesser QB doesn't lead them there. But those were really well rounded teams, and that's what it takes to make it to the show.
 

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Brady was obviously worse in his younger years due to lack of targets and lack of experience. The money was on the defensive side of the ball. QBs make receivers, but receivers make QBs. It goes both ways. But thats the point. Brady was good enough to avoid mistakes and due everything neccessary to win games with lower tier receivers in his early years. And in his later years (basically 2007-present) his stats have gone up dramatically because more of the money has moved towards the offense.

The question about QBs during their career is how much advantage, given whatever weapons they had, did they bring versus whoever else could have QB'd those teams.

Dak, for example, seems to share his best asset with Brady. Which is prioritizing avoinding turnovers vs. forcing big plays.
 

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Pretty sure multiple people, myself included, have pointed out the dominant play of the OLine and the running of Elliot.
Its more than that, Green Bay was majorly held in check and their D is playing very good. Hate to give the Cowboys props in any way, but they look for real so far.
 

Burnem Wizfyre

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I think they should stay with Dak, if they switch to Romo it should be against Cleveland. I don't care either way, good cases can be made for both Romo and Dak.

Also I think MVP should be a Co-MVP Smith, Leary, Frederick, Martin, Free. The Cowboys have built a great wall and it's making America's team great again.

I know they would never award Co-MVP like that obviously but individually not one of them is worthy of MVP but collectively they are hands down the MVP of the league thus far.
 
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Merrith

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That's going pretty far the other way. Dak's played very very well. There's been some issues with accuracy and there have been many times he just didn't see a completely wide open receiver. The run game and Oline have been able to hide these deficiencies pretty well, but he's not as perfect as the knee jerk analysts have been saying

Sure, he can improve. As long as he isn't missing wide open guys for easy 6's like Cousins was against you guys in Week 2 though...can't complain too much. Especially when he's a rookie. His accuracy was pretty lethal when it needed to be against the Packers. His play is likely only going to keep improving as the season goes on too.
 

Merrith

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You're making me look up Brady stats. I hate you.

Yeah, the years he won the Super Bowl in the early 00's just makes my point. He wasn't exactly the world beater he became when Moss landed in his lap. In fact, up until that point his best season was probably 2005, when he didn't make the Super Bowl, and that 2007 year was the first time he didn't throw double digit interceptions. Hmm... maybe when you surround a good to great QB with offensive talent things turn out good. Maybe? Brady was a key component to those SB teams, I'll agree. A lesser QB doesn't lead them there. But those were really well rounded teams, and that's what it takes to make it to the show.

He was most of the offense, his play at least, in those early years.

Also, as we've discussed many times of late in this thread, EVERYONE's stats have jumped the last 5-10 years. Brady is no exception to this, though he's obviously had more offensive talent around him since '07 with Moss and Gronk (among others these days). Remember that Moss was virtually a castoff from the Raiders though, playing with Brady kind of revitalized his career (not saying he still didn't have the talent or wasn't great before the Raiders, cause we all know how that team could make people look for awhile...see: Palmer, Carson).
 

Merrith

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And in his later years (basically 2007-present) his stats have gone up dramatically because more of the money has moved towards the offense.

And again...also because EVERYONE's stats have been going up since around then.
 

Uber Uberest

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You switch to Dak because he is your future. Romo is a 37 year old injured QB, who never had the balls for playoff football. This is Bledsoe v. Brady all over again, people desperate to hold on to an aging fan favorite QB and resistant to the change of the new, young, up and comer.
 

Lleauaric

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Another big part of Bradys evolution is running the exact same system for a decade and half. His reads are automatic which is how he gets the ball out his hands so fast and rarely throws a pick or a bad ball. The passing concepts they use are 13 years of evolution.

The Erhardt-Perkins system is probably the most intricate offense scheme in the league. Its why the Pats go through receivers so quickly. But you have a guy sitting back there with such mastery of this complex offense that defenses are reacting to him. He throws the ball to the exact right place with no hesitation or doubt based on near perfect pre snap reads.

Read these great articles to learn more!

Tom Brady, Patriots' offense built to adapt
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Ambiturner

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Sure, he can improve. As long as he isn't missing wide open guys for easy 6's like Cousins was against you guys in Week 2 though...can't complain too much. Especially when he's a rookie. His accuracy was pretty lethal when it needed to be against the Packers. His play is likely only going to keep improving as the season goes on too.

Not sure what you're arguing with, but I've never said he's not a really good QB and absolutely will be the starter in the next year or two. It's just that as of right now, Romo is better and gives them a better chance of winning.
 
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Not sure what you're arguing with, but I've never said he's not a really good QB and absolutely will be the starter in the next year or two. It's just that as of right now, Romo is better and gives them a better chance of winning.

So Romo would be 6-0?
 
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Not sure what you're arguing with, but I've never said he's not a really good QB and absolutely will be the starter in the next year or two. It's just that as of right now, Romo is better and gives them a better chance of winning.
How can you possibly say that Romo is better right now, when you haven't seen him play in a live game in over a year? When he did come back from injury last year he wasn't even playing that well, so to make the assumption that he is going to step in after such a long layoff and be amazing is taking quite the leap of faith.