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Nickel corners and slot coverage guys value are going to start to increase quite a bit.

CBs and safeties will naturally receive a pay increase as well, but with all of these spread sets and go routes and pass happy offenses starting to take over, slot coverage is going to become more and more important. Tyrann Mathieu is a great example of that type of player, or a more corner oriented guy like Prince Amu-Kamara (sp?) are the type of players who are going to fetch the highest sums on the defensive side of the ball.

Aaron Donald is an example of why the Dline is still crucial as well (and just got paid more than anyone), but the Rams still gave up 50+ points and their secondary looked pretty fucking bad. But, there is an accumulation of small cuts over time that can start to add up, and with offenses passing the ball so frequently, and at such a high rate, naturally more points are going to be scored and more passing yards to be had.

So to really stifle that your going to need to run coverage with maybe only 3 D line men, 4 linebackers and 4 DBs. Not a prevent defense, but a man/zone hybrid coverage with help over the top and another guy pressing the man in motion.
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I think it's the complete opposite in regards to the secondary. The rules are so slanted against them that a receiver is basically always favored or it's a flag. Unless we're talking about a prime Deion, Revis, Sherman, etc. then as a GM you want to put all your money into OL, DL, WR and TE. I wouldn't put anything more than league average resources towards the Secondary. There's even some thought that instead of giving out franchise money to QB's after their rookie deal is up that you just draft another QB to save resources. The only way those offenses were being stopped on Monday was a sack or the QB being moved off their spot. Look at the Saints right now, Brees has 1 fucking pick! Look at how Mack has changed the Bears. Etc etc.
 
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Brando said:
There's even some thought that instead of giving out franchise money to QB's after their rookie deal is up that you just draft another QB to save resources. The only way those offenses were being stopped on Monday was a sack or the QB being moved off their spot. Look at the Saints right now, Brees has 1 fucking pick! Look at how Mack has changed the Bears. Etc etc.
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I would love to know what retard thinks that is a viable strategy. QB is still the single most important player on the field, and if you draft a good one you pay him and keep him. Shit, you even allude to the importance in your own post by pointing out Brees only has 1 pick. You absolutely do not let a franchise QB walk away after their rookie deal just to save money.
 
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I would love to know what retard thinks that is a viable strategy. QB is still the single most important player on the field, and if you draft a good one you pay him and keep him. Shit, you even allude to the importance in your own post by pointing out Brees only has 1 pick. You absolutely do not let a franchise QB walk away after their rookie deal just to save money.
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I've seen a few articles about it this year. The idea that you run with a guy like Goff through his rookie deal then look to trade him for a haul of assets while drafting a new young QB on rookie deal.

It wasn't some article actually advocating it as a working strategy (teams have enough trouble getting pick for 1 QB right, let alone 2 within 4-5 years), just more spitballing it as some out there strategy some team might try with the issues team seem to have winning the SB once their QB is making X% of the cap.
 
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I saw something similar that talked about it.

With a good coach and a QB who can learn/has skill it’s posdible. Look how bad Goff was with big JF...then Mcvay put him in a working offense with weapons. Plus a stout d-Line.

Insert new QB and who knows? It’s worth a shot as I don’t think Goff would succeed anywhere else.
 
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I like that the real game has finally caught up with Madden. I'd fuck with sliders and everything else but it was pretty much impossible to get low scoring slugfests in Madden that mirrored the real game. Now, those high scoring Madden games are just like real life! Any QB on any given day can complete 75% of their passes, just like in Madden. Good times.
 
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All the coaching/scheme stuff makes me kind of wonder how some of the QBs that are mediocre but not terrible could be in a situation that's not a dumpster fire. If Nagy is doing what he's doing in Chicago, how would Stafford or Tannehill or whoever do with a real team.
 
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Ameraves said:
I would love to know what retard thinks that is a viable strategy. QB is still the single most important player on the field, and if you draft a good one you pay him and keep him. Shit, you even allude to the importance in your own post by pointing out Brees only has 1 pick. You absolutely do not let a franchise QB walk away after their rookie deal just to save money.
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I didn't advocate it, just noted you can easily find articles by well respected journalists where it's discussed. And I get their point as I don't think Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, etc. would ever be worth what it does to the rest of your team to sign them to top end QB dollars. Probably the same with Mahomes though he seems better athletically than all of them. Brees is 39 and not exactly the point.
 
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All the coaching/scheme stuff makes me kind of wonder how some of the QBs that are mediocre but not terrible could be in a situation that's not a dumpster fire. If Nagy is doing what he's doing in Chicago, how would Stafford or Tannehill or whoever do with a real team.
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Exactly this! How many QB’s are ruined by a shitty scheme?

A coach gets the play in. Offense gets to the line quickly so D can’t sub. Send a guy or two in motion quickly, coach is still in QB’s ear cause of the mic. That doesn’t cut off until 15 seconds. Coach tells QB the defense and where the ball should go.

Cause most college QB’s can’t read a defense(looking at you big 12).
 
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Ameraves said:
I would love to know what retard thinks that is a viable strategy. QB is still the single most important player on the field, and if you draft a good one you pay him and keep him. Shit, you even allude to the importance in your own post by pointing out Brees only has 1 pick. You absolutely do not let a franchise QB walk away after their rookie deal just to save money.
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Not just the most important position in the NFL it is the most important position in all team sports.
 
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Not just the most important position in the NFL it is the most important position in all team sports.
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There's just as many teams that won a Superbowl with a Flacco or Dilfer or Brad Johnson as there are that won with Brady. It certainly tilts the odds in your favor but it's not the be all to end all. Stafford will end up collecting over $200m probably by the time he's done playing, for what? Wilson now that he's paid, no more money left for the rest of the squad and they're shit. Etc etc.
 
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I mean it doesn't have to be a cheap QB, but every really good team in the salary cap era almost has to have underpaid players. It doesn't have to be the QB, but one on his rookie deal certainly frees up a lot of money.
 
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Brando said:
There's just as many teams that won a Superbowl with a Flacco or Dilfer or Brad Johnson as there are that won with Brady. It certainly tilts the odds in your favor but it's not the be all to end all. Stafford will end up collecting over $200m probably by the time he's done playing, for what? Wilson now that he's paid, no more money left for the rest of the squad and they're shit. Etc etc.
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That's cool. Must be why Dilfer and Flacco have gone to the Superbowl every other year for the last 2 decades. Oh wait that was Brady. Your point does not illustrate what you think it does.
 
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And your point is the GOAT for QB's guarantees just a 50% participation rate?
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"Just" more than any team in history. Really you can get lucky once and have a single chance with no QB or you can get a good QB and have a chance almost every year.


There is not an NFL team alive that would not murder you to have the opportunities for titles the Patriots have had. They had as many as entire teams histories. Just. That is the most retarded thing that has ever been said in this thread. The NFL is not a fucking participation league.
 
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"Just" more than any team in history. Really you can get lucky once and have a single chance with no QB or you can get a good QB and have a chance almost every year.


There is not an NFL team alive that would not murder you to have the opportunities for titles the Patriots have had. They had as many as entire teams histories. Just. That is the most retarded thing that has ever been said in this thread. The NFL is not a fucking participation league.
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And he did it while getting paid significantly under market value for a good portion of the time. It's not the same as a rookie deal, but if he was getting paid 5 million a year more that affects the rest of the roster.
 
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"Just" more than any team in history. Really you can get lucky once and have a single chance with no QB or you can get a good QB and have a chance almost every year.


There is not an NFL team alive that would not murder you to have the opportunities for titles the Patriots have had. They had as many as entire teams histories. Just. That is the most retarded thing that has ever been said in this thread. The NFL is not a fucking participation league.
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Right but there's only one and it only guarantees you a 50% chance. I would also argue that Belicheck's ability to spot inefficiencies in the NFL player market or league tactics has done just as much as Brady has.
 
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Right but there's only one and it only guarantees you a 50% chance. I would also argue that Belicheck's ability to spot inefficiencies in the NFL player market or league tactics has done just as much as Brady has.
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Maybe but his time with the Browns would disagree.

Also 50% sure beats the 3% most teams have though.

That being said look at Rodgers and Brees. Every year people feel they have a shot just because of their QB. Look at basement teams like the Buccs. No QB and no prayer.

Personally I think the Pats are a mix of something that can never be repeated. One of the all time best coaches and the greatest QB in NFL history that was also willing to take under market value.
 
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Personally I think the Pats are a mix of something that can never be repeated. One of the all time best coaches and the greatest QB in NFL history that was also willing to take under market value.
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The Patriots have also benefitted greatly at being in the shittiest division in football for the last decade. If we all agree that a team’s success is largely determined by good QB play, then consider the last time the Dolphins, Bills and Jets each had one. Even just a halfway decent one?

Meanwhile, the NFC South for example has two QBs that have won league MVP and a third one named Brees.

When the margin between home field advantage and simply making the playoffs is often just a game or two, it’s got to be nice knowing you can count on your divisional foes to get you there because they suck so much.
 
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