I'm not sure how a Star Wars fan could dislike the Thrawn trilogy. Even the games provide some of the more interesting Star Wars stories. The EU is a thousand times greater than the movie universe so I don't see how you could hate it all.
[NO Spoilers] Star Wars: Episode 7 - NO PUSSY SHIT
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Back on page 76, I said:
"When I saw the Spaceballs dude and the soccer ball droid I thought it was another fan made trailer. It just seemed like a joke. Trailer didn't do much for me."
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Tie fighters were not even called tie fighters until the 3rd movie. They just never bothered to name anything.
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Wasn't that part of the premise, that they were cheaply made so they could cranked out in massive numbers in a short time? The rebels were generally considered to have superior ships and more highly skilled pilots, which offset their smaller numbers.
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Yes. It's also quite evident when you can see several times in the old movies the X-Wings getting a few laser shots from a TIE fighter and not going down in flames (Wedge, Luke, etc...) while every TIE Fighter that gets hit by a laser immediately vaporizes.
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Technically, Vader's "Custom TIE Advanced x 1" was never hit by a laser bolt, it was hit by another TIE fighter that bumped into it when the Millenium Falcon blew up a third TIE fighter in the trench.
That said, you're correct, Vader's fighter was more armored and could enter hyperspace. It was a prototype that was later developped into a new generation of TIE fighters, the ubiquitous TIE Interceptors in ROTJ.
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Seems like the empire was more of a juggernaut...Star Destroyers, infantry carriers, heavy artillery...an imperial/occupying force that was massive and powerful, yet bulky and slow. Rebels would have had to counter them with asymmetrical warfare. In comes the agile yet tough A, B, X, Y wings to dodge in and out of enemy defenses and wreak havoc. Tie Fighters were likely a response to the rebel tactics, previously the empire would have had little need for small scale ship-to-ship combat like that. Ties were described as short range when we were first introduced to one near the DS in EP4. They seemed built to outrun and outmaneuver the relatively heavier rebel bomber/attack squadrons in order to swarm out of Star Destroyers and battle stations and pick off the rebel attackers.
I'm half talking out of my ass here, not sure exactly what Wookiepeida and the EU say.
I'm half talking out of my ass here, not sure exactly what Wookiepeida and the EU say.
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Maybe in some respects, but it also makes sense when you consider all the factors, which is the most important thing for me in considering how believable it is.. They're a huge empire without much in the way of resistance for a while. Numbers > individual effectiveness. The clone wars devastated the military powers, so they just pumped out a lot of shit fast.
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This. Manpower is a priority for the rebels. X wings are state of the art multi purpose fighters. Manpower is cheap (and cloned!) In the empire. Cheap fast and heavily gunned fighters make sense.
Of course 30 years later X wings should be as useful as Z95 headhunters...
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Zerg vs protoss. Complete philosophical difference in troop structure. I think xwing vs tie fighter mentioned that it wasn't a single xwing against a single tie fighter, it was one xwing against 3 ties. And in that scenario, the ties have the advantage.
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They don't.
I think anyone who hasn't beaten Tie Fighter should withhold themselves from this conversation.
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Tie fighters, like storm troopers are basically shown to be completely useless. Sadly the EU, did not correct this at all. Where they had the chance to actually create victories for them.
But, nah. Tie fighters get taken out with 1 shot, can't hyperdrive, have no offensive power either.
Conceptually, they are protoss Carriers+drones, using that comparison. They SHOULD be numerous, swarm, and take things out with concentrated fire. But, we never see that happen.
The mass production idea is weird. Considering, 2 death starts, star destroyers, super star destroyers... As stated, Imperial capital ships completely dwarfed Rebel cruisers.
Would have also made alot of sense if they were outright drones as well.
I don't remember what actually detailed why the Rebels had xwings, and seemingly vastly superior firepower in fighters. IIRC it was related to Antilles, and Orgena. was it books,comics or rogue squadron/xwingvs tiefighter?
But, nah. Tie fighters get taken out with 1 shot, can't hyperdrive, have no offensive power either.
Conceptually, they are protoss Carriers+drones, using that comparison. They SHOULD be numerous, swarm, and take things out with concentrated fire. But, we never see that happen.
The mass production idea is weird. Considering, 2 death starts, star destroyers, super star destroyers... As stated, Imperial capital ships completely dwarfed Rebel cruisers.
Would have also made alot of sense if they were outright drones as well.
I don't remember what actually detailed why the Rebels had xwings, and seemingly vastly superior firepower in fighters. IIRC it was related to Antilles, and Orgena. was it books,comics or rogue squadron/xwingvs tiefighter?
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Little chicken wire over their goddamn air vents and there would have been no issues.
!@#$% rebels....
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