Bullshit. Gamers will play any game, as long as it's good. There are a fuck ton of games that have been wildly successful where there wasn't a "market" for it. Like someone else stated, Pantheon will probably not be that game, because of a myriad of reasons, but that doesn't mean that a more group oriented game couldn't be successful. Your logic is flawed.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Erronius
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And I think that, in a nutshell, is what we've been saying for years. IDGAF if there is some niche game that caters to a small subset of gamers, it's just so risky that I wouldn't even consider investing in an MMO if I won the lottery.
People were asking why we constantly bash Brad and Pantheon, as if we want to see BradPants fail. I mean...it isn't as if we want them to fail going forward, it's that in a certain sense I kinda feel that they've ALREADY failed. There's such a small window here for actual success that it's almost pants-on-head-retarded for them to even try. I honestly think that at best, Pantheon is going to barely struggle along and then fade into obscurity.
Also, we love drama and Brad delivers on a relatively frequent basis, all things considered.
Ukerric
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The problem of the Unity asset store (or any asset store) is that you end up with no style. You don't have a personal style, you have a generic type of look. Your in-game screenshots are not immediately recognizable as "this comes from XXX" (at least if you turn off your UI, which I assume would be distinctive).
Despite the cartoon and whatever look, you can look at a screenshot from WoW (or many other games) and you immediately know it's from there. Mash together stuff done by independent artists, none of which started from the same concept art drawings from a team managed by a lead concept artist, and you end up without any visual identity. That's why what everyone does before they even purchase their first license from 3DS or Maya, or whatever. Establish an identity for your game. For Ryzom, we started by making not only concept art, but cardboard/gum maps so we'd know exactly what the game world would look like before we even started doing the first 3D models.
Asset store, however, are good enough to use if you're making game systems, because they're a lot better than floating checkered cubes all around.
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shabushabu
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people get laid off, people at the top benefit, it true in every business on the planet.. Its called capitalism.This is a very sad post. Just watch the sheeple run off the cliff but its ok everyone is doing it every day!
Here a new avatar for you and others like you.
Utnayan
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Still working on it. Haven't made a lot of progress this summer because of limited free time and lots of fun games to play. I'll have some more time in the winter to get back to having fun working on it.
shabushabu
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I don't get this post.
1. Its never faceless. People lose their jobs and the execs profit. it sucks but its just a way of life in our society. Gaming industry is not any different, every dev studio hires in mass during production and reduces staff after release. EVERY ONE.
2. How is this different ? Brad's weight comes from his game design philosophies, not his business acumen. I think thats the point here... if he was better at business he probably wouldn't be making Pantheon, he would be involved in some cookie cutter project. Strange how that works. This shit is skunkworks at best and struggling to make something happen... I have respect for Brad for doing it. It takes guts to keep to a path and build something when everyone around you is saying, this is not what the market needs.
In the end, you guys are ripping the guy for being a business knucklehead or what ever .... but as a player of Eq and Vanguard I just want to play his games I don't give a shit about all that other stuff.... I have to worry about that myself in my job every day.
I get that it is fun to rip on Brad but the shit going on here is steeped in naivety as if this is not a part of our lives every day.. Those at the top, profit this is a fact of how our society is built.
Will Pantheon ever release ? Who knows the obvious question is "where is the funding going to come from to get this thing out the door" ... At this point, who knows.
shabushabu
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I am surprised to hear that Wildstar didn't hold many people. I never tried it but I thought they had a pretty big market targeted with that style of game.
Cinge
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So "I dont care what you do dude, but you have good napkin ideas, so I will follow you to the end of the earth!"... You should play the game Lemmings.
That sounds very creepy to me. Too cult like or hell sounds like a religion
Khane
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Brad isn't a mastermind corporate cutthroat executive. He's a moron drug addict who got lucky once and people keep pretending he's some gaming messiah.
shabushabu
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Brad was a significant part of Everquest team right ? was that it ? Or was it Vanguard where from a world/class design perspective its the best MMO i have played. Again, implementation is not his game, nor is business management but his style of games is what i like. Thats all i care about it.
Addiction is a disease of the mind, many have it i don't fault people for that.
If only the world was black and white.
Edited: Who the fuck thinks he is some Messiah ? Maybe thats what I am not getting here... to all the folks ripping brad to pieces daily its as if he was some fallen hero of yours or something... To me he's just a dood with some ideas I happen to like from the gaming slice of my life with some ability to get funding for project(s) and with the balls to fucking try.
I can support that.
shabushabu
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Dood, make a quote that i didn't say then claim it was something i said, seriously.. failSo "I dont care what you do dude, but you have good napkin ideas, so I will follow you to the end of the earth!"... You should play the game Lemmings.
That sounds very creepy to me. Too cult like or hell sounds like a religion
Khane
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He fired people in a parking lot because of his failure. Yet you're likening him to some prince of capitalism who fires people to further their own fortunes and agendas. But that does give Brad a certain allure I guess. He isn't evil, he's just a failure.
shabushabu
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shabushabu
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I am glad he did or i would never have had the opportunity to play it.. because funding never gets pulled from video games.The greatest feat Brad ever pulled off was convincing SOE to buy that buggy piece of shit Vanguard. I'm sure he had a good laugh about it after.
Capitalism!
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