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qwertyqweqwertwqert said:
Not convinced. You don't really get to socialise more on a raid with a guild than you do just in guild chat anyway. And if there are people you really like, you can just group with them. I had regular groups with different people in my last guild and it was good because there were people from different timezones which suited me for playing at different times of the day, and they also wanted to do different things. So I had one guy who needed Tranix Crown so we did SolB regularly until we both got one, and then we did other stuff. And then I had a guy who wanted the monk epic so we grinded the mob in Karnor that dropped the pipe and we got a lot of exp doing that. And many more groups, and it was always more fun doing that than just being on a raid which wasn't even good for chatting anyway because everyone is busy travelling, buffing, clearing, etc.

Also the raid loot in EQ did make everything else obsolete. Everyone wanted a full set of planes armor from Hate and Fear, and once you had that, there was no reason to go anywhere else in the game. Sky had the best gear by far too, haste item that wouldn't get upgraded until sometime around Velious, uber rings and other quest items that were better than anything by far. Kunark was the same, the BP from Trak was the best, the legs from VS, and the raid haste was the best haste. So regular raiders had no reason to go to places like Seb or Chardok unless they just wanted to grind some exp. And dungeons are a lot more boring when people are only there to grind. And people wanted the shortcut, so they would join a raid guild and then do regular raids to Trak, the dragons for haste belts and spells and stuff, VS for legs and some other uber items, Chardok royals etc. And would often run older raid content too like Fear golems for the BCG, Aon, etc. Pretty soon the game becomes nothing but raiding because that is where all the best gear is.

Imo raiding should just be replaced by tuned dungeons. They should have some normal nameds and some that are heavily scripted, and could require similar effort to WoW mythic for some nameds. But if you do it as 6 people rather than trying to organise 50 zergers, it is much better, less of a chore, more chatting and actual playing. The problem with EQ raids especially is that the clearing was a boring chore, and then for bosses it was a good 10+ minutes of just buffing. If you were a buff class like a chanter or shammy, you had to buff 10+ people, then med, and do another 10+ people. Then someone pulls the raid mob and you gank it down in a few minutes. Group content can be just as challenging but without all the boring admin.

I would be all for raiding as the top end content, if it was really fun and challenging. But it isn't. Also some of the challenge that people think raiding has, isn't really challenging. It is a test of heal and dps output, tank mitigation etc. It is just a gear check. And nowadays there is some dance dance revolution line dancing around red blobs or whatever. The actual interesting mechanics could all be done in group content and would be more fun.
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socially awkward person in the guild status confirmed.
 
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2002User said:
No one is asking for moderation on differing opinions, but at least contribute to the discussion. Shitty one line posts where you personally attack someone's well thought out six paragraph posts are getting old though:





All I'm seeing here is you can't break his post down point by point and shit on him that way. You just quote him and call him a retard. Add something useful to the discussion or don't post. You're turning a valuable place for discussion into monkeys literally throwing shit at each other.
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I think more than one person has tried to talk to qwerty rationally, with no luck. He seems to have reasons for his rationale, all seem pretty poor.
 
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Damn, qwerty. Even your_mum doesn't love you.
 
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I like the idea of GW2 raids where they were huge global encounters that you could attend casually. You just hop around to wherever the big bad boss was going to spawn, join 200 other people and kill it, get loots and leave.
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Yeah but I don't think casually getting loot and then bailing is what this game is all about. TESO does raids a bit differently too but they are really bad, and there is zero communication. It is just a swarm of people rushing from boss to boss and spamming 1234 for a couple of minutes until the mob dies. If anyone thinks this is hyperbole, youtube it.


Vinjin said:
Raid loot should be the best in game but don't make it so ridiculously better that that is the only loot players strive to attain. Find a decent balance between raid loot and group loot and it should work fine.
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I don't agree. If it is better even by a small amount, everyone just becomes obsessed with raiding as often as possible. People want the best of everything, and will do whatever it takes to get it. If that requires constant raids, that's what they will do. And that's what killed EQ imo. The game most people loved was when they grouped in places like Seb or Velks or whatever. But when they started releasing expansions that were 99% raid focused, they lost a lot of their players. I wouldn't mind if there are one or two raids that will fill one or two slots, but when people start grinding raids as often as possible, it makes just want to play something else. Or reroll a new class and do the fun levelling process all over again.

Vinjin said:
requiring hours upon hours upon hours of time by the player, and that's something I don't think the devs want to re-create again.
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The problem is I think those old raids were terrible, but the modern raids are too. TESO's equivalent of a raid takes 30 minutes and you barely need to be awake.

Muligan said:
Honestly, I think people are still the primary problem. There's no reason why people have to raid 3-5 times a week or rush to get a certain level. I understand the competitive aspect and lived it for years in EQ but looking back, it was completely unnecessary.
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That's not really true though, because the content in MMO's was just a stepping stone to the next new expansion. So you were unlikely to be able to cope with Velious raid content if you hadn't already completed Kunark raid content thoroughly. And to complete it, you had to raid every raid mob 100 times to get everyone in the guild the gear they need. So you end up doing Trak once a week for BP's, VS once a week for legs and one or two other items, Fear once a week for Cazic and the golems, etc.. etc.. And even more often when people are doing epics. Unless you grind the hell out of that stuff, you can't do the raids in the next expansion. So any guild that wants to be a dedicated raid guild, has to grind the raid content. The game forces them to. They could just take their time but would never be ready in time for the next expansion if they did that, and they would fall behind the rest of the server and other raid guilds and people start leaving etc. It is a dumb situation and it is the fault of the game.

Muligan said:
I really think there's a happy middle ground out there but I don't think any game will risk it and I'm not sure people would even accept it. However, if you made the world something more substantial and created raid encounters that were more anticipated with high risk/reward, it might work.
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The middle ground would be keeping the game like classic EQ, but with just Naggy and Vox. People would want to do them until they get the items they need, but each class only has 1 or 2 items from those guys and the rest of the time they would be grouping. The problem is when you create somewhere like the planes where you get an entire new set of gear in there, and it is better than anywhere else. With Naggy, Vox, Sky, Fear, Hate, it was enough for people to raid constantly, just to get the best gear. And then Kunark brought a lot more. Almost every zone had a raid target. That's how you kill a group focused game.

AngryGerbil said:
I am here to permalifeban anyone harboring incorrect opinions.
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Are you really a mod? Because if so, that is why this forum is so shit.

goishen said:
Right. And qwerty has never done that.
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Correct. I have a reason for every post, otherwise I don't post. These other morons just want to rage and shit up a thread because they are broken.
 
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says forum is shit, proceeds to post on forums. Do you lack as much spatial awareness in games as you do self awareness in reality?

Sorry just trying to stay on topic somewhat.
 
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Pretty sure qwertyqweqwertwqert has stated he multi-boxes so he is the autistic fag who sots at camps and doesn't respond ever a out grouping or anything really. Just go play a single player game faggot
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
Pretty sure qwertyqweqwertwqert has stated he multi-boxes so he is the autistic fag who sots at camps and doesn't respond ever a out grouping or anything really. Just go play a single player game faggot
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I think you might be onto something there. Afraid if you have to raid he won't be able to multi-box it all himself. Really though if he wasn't such a bitch people might raid with him.
 
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I want you guys to keep it respectful in here. The dicks have to stay in your pants. Unless your Vanessa.
 
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I'm going to have to ask all of you to post your pantheon donation receipts or I'll be forced to start banning people. This is a serious thread.
 
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Well I am safe, not sure about User2016 and qwerwetwerwrefaggotmcfaggotpieceofshitfaggot

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2002User said:
I know you weren't around back then, but these forums actually had valuable discussion. This forum has turned into a place for 90s kids to talk about how they were the best on an emulator for a 17 year old MMO, post about WoW, and jack off to tranny cock.
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Says the faggot who just started posting here...
 
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I think today marked a new break through in Pantheon the forum game. I declare that everyone who posted recently earned at least a level for defeating "a sandy vagina" which I am pretty sure is a rare spawn.

 
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I think today marked a new break through in Pantheon the forum game. I declare that everyone who posted recently earned at least a level for defeating "a sandy vagina" which I am pretty sure is a rare spawn.

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That sound is so fucking satisfying.
 
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