Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

For anyone who actually played, how much content is there? Up to level 4 the vibe is good, it feels old school in a good way.

Healing after HOT changed drasically. Heals became faster due to mobs hiting hard. Shaman and druids gained new healing responsibles. People count on clerics as the backbone to the raid success and get blamed when it fails.

Pantheon is the spirual successor to Vanguard. If you read the lore the set up is the same as Vanguard even to the chain of the islands in the wizard's mind. I see good things with Pantheon but it reminds me of Crowffall and Valhiem. Valhiem just didn't have enough content and lost people while they reloaded. Crowfall was a unity shitshow. Pantheon has it own style now. Cartoon art is timeless. Like the burning of the wow bridge. Killing of sylanas people will always remember.

I have no doubt there was a lot of lying going on when Brad died. They seem to be coming out the financial strait they were in, Content will always outdue Art in the long run.

Chris I have Kevin Eastman anytime I want him to do the podcast, I am going to meet Don Bluth in March. Cross your fingers. I loved Dragons Lair as a kid.

I still think a big brother MMO weekly podcast would be hillarious.

Mr. Sox So when is that law suite money coming through for you kicking that door so you can finally afford a PC from the 2000s, or is your inability to stream due to the early on set dementia and the inability to learn how to do new things?

Guess I can actually pay attention to this game now and so far Reading class descriptions does not inspire me. So this is vanguard 2? Rogue description reads like it has combo points and enchanters don’t get charm? If so fuck those classes…

Oh they going to do character wipes annnnnd I’m out.

While I do think it would be insane not to do character wipes before officially going live, it's also insane to give an MMO early access 2-3 years in advance of a planned release.

zzeris said:

But his content looked better (a lot) 8 years ago and they've only added two more zones. I hate defending Brad, but the only time this game looked like it was worth playing as a nostalgia grab was in 2016 while he was still involved. I'm pretty sure he could have at least managed what they've done and I'm 99% sure that it would have been better than this. 6 years from now when they release a similar 'finished' project with another 4 zones at $60, I'll still say Brad probably could have done better. Not much, but the bar is sitting on the ground right now.

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The zones are like 5x the size of the zones they had back then. Original TF was basically a bowl the size of West Karana, you could run across the whole thing in ten minutes very easily. Todays TF is massively better, tons of verticality, caves, exploring towns and other unique areas. On one hand I personally miss the more simple square zone layouts of old EQ, but placing them side by side the modern TF offers massively more content, there is no comparison.

The same is true of all the other zones. The only thing that's the same is the "idea" behind the zone and the name.

Grabbed it to play with a friend, will report back tonight. So far music is good, and character creation has no face options(lame).

Mr. Sox said:

Big Dirty you are a security director, and yet you publish private emails in public forums. what a true Weasel. you are dead to me Nirgon.

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Wait what the hell did I do? Laugh at your weasel coded antics? Why's that a fucking crime?

Over here shaman big Dickin and yall slap fighting on the message board.

Hekotat said:

Over here shaman big Dickin and yall slap fighting on the message board.

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Having completed all of that content let me just say, you keep an eye on Terminus and we will manage Sox's attempts to shipwreck us.

Sylas said:

Its a fan made very early prototype of a game, handful of races, handful of zones, handful of "content". Its not a game yet and its about 3 years too early for an early access launch, this was done solely for funding.

If 50 random posters on this board made a tech demo using pre-built world building tools and purchased art assets and threw it up on the internet this is the "game" you would get.

That is to say, you could say it was built with love or dedication from people who enjoy playing games like everquest but they really don't know what they are doing tbh.

The term "professional" would not appear anywhere in the vicinity of this, no single person with any experience making video games is involved here.

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Yea yea yea so full of shit
How about you “throw” something up with pre built stuff and tech “demo “like this or something even better, since it’s so easy, as you said?

I’d gladly pay for it, I am easy
as long as it’s something like this( as I’m having so much fun already and apparently 3000 players on steam alone )
even better if it’s something like monsters and memories.

Nirgon said:

Having completed all of that content let me just say, you keep an eye on Terminus and we will manage Sox's attempts to shipwreck us.

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Wakandan, you ain't got a boat.

Aazrael said:

Well it beat Concord I'll give them that. Back to PoE2!

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are you retarded? What does concord and POE2 have anything to do with a slow paced traditional hardcore high fantasy mmo ?

and it’s got 3047 players online at steam side now
I’m actually surprised the number is growing

Hieromonk said:

are you retarded? What does concord and POE2 have anything to do with a slow paced traditional hardcore high fantasy mmo ?

and it’s got 3047 players online at steam side now
I’m actually surprised the number is growing

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It's pretty fun.

Zaide said:

I don’t really recall what PF was. The gameplay has always been enjoyable, but prior to the “refactor” it was basically all Unity assets. Now they’re adding more and more custom art and models all the time.

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PF was the big elf-home zone, with the fancy big-tree forest+flora (old wood), the big field beside that, and the unfinished elf city. It was their internal art to represent the Pantheon they wanted - or at least that's how it was advertised. We got a single session in there at one point. What was finished was sorta neat. They wanted to do a big vertical slice in a single zone for investors. They ended up doing the refactor after that long dark period post mid-2018, and then they later have said Faerthale couldn't run well. Not clear what plans there are for the old zone now, but nobody has seen it since. Maybe it just needs some tree LODs, for them to remember to bake some culling , and a re-paint? I don't see it honestly being too different from Wild's End now in terms of complexity & size, but who knows.

Their new environmental art is pretty nice. I'm not super hot on the earlier "new art style" stuff (ie Thronefast & AVP are just sorta ok, but maybe I've just seen them too much), but I think they hit their groove with Mad Run, Hanggore, and the 3 new zones enviro art & feel. Some solid stuff that leaves you wanting to see more. Their new character armor system (look for the ogre swapping a bunch of armor video on youtube) is actually really impressive IMO and looks great. Their player character races - bit of a mixed bag atm IMO, I hope they get some polish & iteration in some areas. I think this is an area where people being paused may have hurt them somewhat. Glad they're getting them in though. Oh - the new pets look great. Props in their environmental art are lacking - what is in looks good though (a human & bandit set might be it).

NPC character art is an area in which they've struggled historically. The only ones I think might be fully in-house atm are the goblin, gas bat, and I think orc. I wasn't sold on the goblin at all in model shots (Gremlins 2 hi2u), but in-game it looks good. I think many - or even most - of the rest of the models may have started on the store though. Some are obviously still placeholder (<3 me some Low-poly animals), some are direct from the store unchanged, others have been given an art pass to make them critters of Terminus. That's not a bad thing - using store stuff was in the original pitch even - and some of them turned out really well (examples - Giant Bee SimP looks great with the skin work/model tweaks and Fantasy Golem fits as-is IMO).

All in all, coming along pretty well - 2024 has been a good year in that regard. Hopefully all the positive stuff around the EA leads to a nice level of interest and continued progress in 2025. I've had some fun so far in EA, and they've had, in the grand scheme of things, a pretty decent EA launch in terms of technical issues.

OK so solo sucks ass just like EQ, group was a blast, finding camps is the hard part right now but it feels like EQ with different everything. Devs nailed it, at least so far. The end game/long term no idea but level 6 now and about to put in another full day.

Have friends, grab it is my recommend. If anyone wants to join us on Avenos 1 we could use a DPS/CC class.

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