Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

popsicledeath

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I think less starting areas is fine. Make it one city, I don't care. Just make it a cohesive part of the world. If everyone has been forced into one city, there is still going to be a lot of distrust and anger and everyone better not be lovey-dovey with an ogre now that they're being forced to live together. Like someone said, we'll let the trolls move in, but you're staying in the trash dumb.
 

Flc_sl

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I could see why you'd be suspicious, but I also don't think it's an impossibility that they originally intended to release information on class specialization later on. I think they're trickling information strategy has been shitty, and this may have just been another example of it backfiring.

I do think they've had plenty of discussions about this stuff before they launched the Kickstarter. I don't know what state that information is in and how it's been compiled, but I'm not going to just come to the conclusion that they are making shit up as they go along. That's a possibility, but we don't have any proof either way, so there's no reason to speak with such certainty about it.
Their PR guy came out and said: "We've put all of the stuff we have on the kickstarter already. We're trying to generate as much stuff as possible now and are putting it up as soon as we can."

I'm believing the worst because every single thing they've done, up to now, has been the worst. Aeiouy has been assuming the best for the past hundred pages because he's a fanboi.

That said, I do think they're trying, and I'll admit that the quality of things is getting better as time goes on. And I also understand that many of you all (including myself) want a game like this. I just don't think Brad and company are the group to deliver it, and have yet to hear/see a compelling reason why they ARE the group to deliver it. I'm not sure if they're inept, ill-informed, or just lazy... and frankly, I'm not sure which of those would be better.
 

Mur_sl

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Quoting myself, but maybe something like this for $25:
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Khane

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Anyone crying "conspiracy" or "You really think they did this the night before without thinking about it?" needs to follow what's been happening since the inception of this Kickstarter. How could you sit at your computer and have ANY confidence in this team to say "Nah they knew what they were doing when they dropped this info"? The dev team themselves actually admitted they were making shit up on the fly. Nobody knows what has been thought about beforehand and what is just reaction. In my opinion they are in pure reactionary mode. They are letting us design their game right now.

You can call people stupid all you want, but you sound stupid for even thinking it's not completely possible and actually what probably happened since they even said so themselves. Unless you think you're more in the know than the actual "team" creating the game.
 

Mur_sl

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Given that resources are limited, I would rather have seven more huge dungeons than ten other starting cities. Maybe trolls are relegated to a trash yard outside of town.
As long as I can kill guards, and eat whatever I want, I'm cool with Trolls living at the landfill.
 

Khane

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That's fine. Give me a month with the design team, and if they listen to me, we'll all have the game dreams are made of.
I'm not saying it's bad or good. I'm just saying that is literally what is happening. Pretending they have a plan is naive and actually just plain ignorant.
 

Convo

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Flc and booze- I do believe he class setup was planned. That's not me being blind. I just disagree with that point. The reason I say it is because Brad left me with a sub class impression even before the cleric stuff dropped. Sorry if you disagree but it has nothing to do with being a fanboy. If you go back and dig up my post, and tads, we both speculated on the system. Brad added to it but didn't go into full details. I don't doubt they are constantly updating and tweaking ideas. I just don't see as much as an issue with it as they also ignored a lot of ideas. Bad ideas!
 

Flc_sl

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Anyone crying "conspiracy" or "You really think they did this the night before without thinking about it?" needs to follow what's been happening since the inception of this Kickstarter. How could you sit at your computer and have ANY confidence in this team to say "Nah they knew what they were doing when they dropped this info"? The dev team themselves actually admitted they were making shit up on the fly. Nobody knows what has been thought about beforehand and what is just reaction. In my opinion they are in pure reactionary mode. They are letting us design their game right now.
Let's run an experiment. Everyone go to the Kickstarter forums and make hundreds of posts complaining about cross-server play. If they don't come out with an update in 72 hours "clarifying" the cross-server comments to not actually mean cross-server, I will make an entire thread dedicated to praising how brilliant Aeiouy is and how lucky I am to have read the posts that stem from his brilliant mind.
 

KCXIV

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Ill go with overwhelmed, you dont know what your getting into until you actually get into it. Yes, you can do research, yes, you can talk to people aboutit, but until you fucking actually do it, you really dont know. I remember as a kid my friends dad gave me a job working at a tomato packing shed for the summer. They told me what i was going to be doing, but i had no fucking idea how hard it was going to be stacking 35 pound tomato boxes for 10-16 hours a day for sometimes 13 days in a row. I knew it was going to be hard, but that shit was brutal. lol

THey could have been prepared better, they should have, but as we all know Brad tends to get superhype and rush shit a little bit. It happens, yes, it shouldnt, but it did.
 

JarekStorm_sl

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that sounds totally awful man. Seriously though, aside from you preconceived notions about why Trolls should automatically hate Elves, what are the gameplay benefits of multiple starting cities?

I guess I could say they help enhance sense of character identity through unique architecture and flavor, and make early levels on an alt character more appealing. Oh, and theres the Qeynos->Freeport run situations to join your buddies that were kinda fun.

But does that outweigh the benefits of a single starting location which, among others:

1. helps focus development on a truly great newbie starting experience, instead of spreading resources.
2. allows players to adventure together starting from level 1
3. focuses population so the world feels full and alive to new players early on, even if/when population numbers dwindle

the trade offs aren't worth it, IMO
It's about building a world instead of just a game. I remember discovering that there were different newbie loots, like the Mino axe, that players who started in Freeport knew nothing about until some exotic traveller imported one across the sea and sold it to them, or maybe they decided to travel to that place and find it himself. A quest to find the Mino axe.

To me, the trade offs are not worth the loss of that type of immersive world and emergent gameplay.

It's not a deal breaker, but it is disappointing.
 

Flc_sl

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Flc and booze- I do believe he class setup was planned. That's not me being blind. I just disagree with that point. The reason I say it is because Brad left me with a sub class impression even before the cleric stuff dropped. Sorry if you disagree but it has nothing to do with being a fanboy. If you go back and dig up my post, and tads, we both speculated on the system. Brad added to it but didn't go into full details. I don't doubt they are constantly updating and tweaking ideas. I just don't see as much as an issue with it as they also ignored a lot of ideas. Bad ideas!
Fair enough. I still think Brad is a moron, charlatan, and hack though, and someone who doesn't deserve to have his project funded based on the drivel of shit he's put out since this entire thing started.
 

Creslin

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I think less starting areas is fine. Make it one city, I don't care. Just make it a cohesive part of the world. If everyone has been forced into one city, there is still going to be a lot of distrust and anger and everyone better not be lovey-dovey with an ogre now that they're being forced to live together. Like someone said, we'll let the trolls move in, but you're staying in the trash dumb.
Ya you can make any theme work. Fuck Freeport was good enough to be a single city. Would be interesting to see how you could protray the cold war between the Knights of Truth and militia with modern tech, all while the evil necros live bellow you.

What I don't want is lovey dovey like you said. I also don't want an open conflict that for some reason goes on for years with no end. High tension with covert action makes sense tho.
 

Khane

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Ill go with overwhelmed, you dont know what your getting into until you actually get into it. Yes, you can do research, yes, you can talk to people aboutit, but until you fucking actually do it, you really dont know. I remember as a kid my friends dad gave me a job working at a tomato packing shed for the summer. They told me what i was going to be doing, but i had no fucking idea how hard it was going to be stacking 35 pound tomato boxes for 10-16 hours a day for sometimes 13 days in a row. I knew it was going to be hard, but that shit was brutal. lol

THey could have been prepared better, they should have, but as we all know Brad tends to get superhype and rush shit a little bit. It happens, yes, it shouldnt, but it did.
Right. AKA reaction mode. If you aren't proactive, you're reactive. Well I guess you could be stagnant too but since they don't have anything designed yet that wouldn't be possible.
 

Flc_sl

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Ill go with overwhelmed, you dont know what your getting into until you actually get into it. Yes, you can do research, yes, you can talk to people aboutit, but until you fucking actually do it, you really dont know. I remember as a kid my friends dad gave me a job working at a tomato packing shed for the summer. They told me what i was going to be doing, but i had no fucking idea how hard it was going to be stacking 35 pound tomato boxes for 10-16 hours a day for sometimes 13 days in a row. I knew it was going to be hard, but that shit was brutal. lol

THey could have been prepared better, they should have, but as we all know Brad tends to get superhype and rush shit a little bit. It happens, yes, it shouldnt, but it did.
And if Brad hadn't done this before - EQ, Vanguard - and was just some random scrub behaving like he currently is, his project wouldn't have ever crossed the $10,000 mark.
 

Flc_sl

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Ya you can make any theme work. Fuck Freeport was good enough to be a single city. Would be interesting to see how you could protray the cold war between the Knights of Truth and militia with modern tech, all while the evil necros live bellow you.

What I don't want is lovey dovey like you said. I also don't want an open conflict that for some reason goes on for years with no end. High tension with covert action makes sense tho.
Just as an FYI - the entire city of Freeport, from the layout of the roads to the exact positioning of the shops and docks, was an EXACT carboncopy of Waterdeep in TorilMUD. Wish I could find a map of it so you could compare. When I say exact, I mean EXACT.
 

Dumar_sl

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It's about building a world instead of just a game.
That's really the point. It doesn't make sense because not all the races will tolerate living among each other. It's that simple. If you don't have that conflict, that's one less conflict you have in the world, and it's a HUGE, if not the biggest (racial), one that will always be missing because: trolls and dwarves started 50 feet away from each other in different-colored shrines.

An immersive fantasy world requires that these things are built into it.
 

Khane

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If you go back and dig up my post, and tads, we bothspeculatedon the system.
Right, we all speculated. That's all we could do. You realized it was speculation and you aren't trying to yell from the rooftops "Have faith! They have a plan!" like some people are. None of us really know. It ended up being a subclass system but nobody knows whether they came up with that during the Crusader write up, or if it was planned from the beginning. Pretending it was "obvious" is ridiculous. Nothing has been obvious except their lack of preparation.
 

a_skeleton_03

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So before Draegan rudely interrupted us I had something bothering me about that person that reported me to the Kickstarter police. I felt like I recognized the name for some reason.

There was some kind of letter recognition so I did the tiniest bit of research.

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So we have Mr. tdewey here. That reminded me of tad10 and some post about him earlier on this forum so I looked it up.

Well if you didn't write this then I guess there's no harm in posting it then.

Amazon.com: Ten Things (you need to know before the end of the world) eBook: Trevor Dewey: Kindle Store
tad10 denied it of course

I like that title, but it's unavailable for purchase
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You of all people should know I write unproduced and unproducable scripts. I thought you chimed in on that way back Millie thread.
Some googling came up with some info on tdewey.

EQMac.com View topic - April 3rd/Newbies

Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen - Silky Venom

So basically does this mean that tad10 is running around reporting every person that drops a pledge on kickstarter but then coming in here and now shitting on the game in his posts?

WTF tad10, are you a two faced bitch?!?!