Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Joining? I hope not. Shroud of the Avatar actually seems to be going somewhere, I do not want Brads flop to rub off on it. Seriously, this cloak is all you will get to see. Garriot is bit smarter then that.
Smart move from Brad though.
Smart move from Brad though.
Louis
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I don't really see how it could be a bad thing. Doubt he's going to lose backers because of it and only stands to gain.
What I'm confused about is the P99 deal. I understand it's the target audience for Brad to go after, but what does P99 and Rogain have to get out of it? I'd imagine most people that want to play old school EQ have a good idea that P99 exists already.
What I'm confused about is the P99 deal. I understand it's the target audience for Brad to go after, but what does P99 and Rogain have to get out of it? I'd imagine most people that want to play old school EQ have a good idea that P99 exists already.
Its interesting....but at the same time, as it reads right now, today, is,"Hey guys, back both projects"! That's really it unless they actually do have something planned for the future.
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/chuckle. Rogain is a good dude, but still cracks me up. I joined ROI for the progression server and we used to stomp his guilds brain in to every single raid target and he would /rage every single time.
Bruman
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It's cross-promotion. Given the success of SOA, it's really all win for Brad, and it doesn't hurt Richard any. Feels like Richard is just trying to help Brad out, which is awesome.
Very much so. I personally know folks that are ok with KS while others that will gladly buy and sub to this game once it launched. No amount of convincing would change their minds either. There definitely are players who want this game , but only when it launches and nothing to do with Brad or quality of the KS.
It could be an 8 million dollar KS already into stretch goal 10 with the best site ever made, offering a half off the cost of the game and subs tier , and still they wouldn't buy in because of either the KS idea or usually more of the fact it's 3 years out. Nothing wrong with that either , it's a personal choice , but that's not all that rare either.
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Maybe they get a headstart to do their own modded version of Pantheon (5m stretch goal)?
Whidon
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It's amazing that people would give Garriot, A dude that has never created a half decent modern mmo (UO could be fun for many im sure, but there's a reason everyone copied EQ and not UO) fucktons of money.
I mean was not Tabula Rasa a bigger disaster and money waster then VG? People say "we can't trust Brad!" But Richard has never shown an ability to create a game that's not a 80s-early 90s type crpg.
Edit: not to mention he is soo rich he has no excuse to be begging on KS.
I mean was not Tabula Rasa a bigger disaster and money waster then VG? People say "we can't trust Brad!" But Richard has never shown an ability to create a game that's not a 80s-early 90s type crpg.
Edit: not to mention he is soo rich he has no excuse to be begging on KS.
Given his resume, he really shouldn't have to fund anything. Mcquaid has one killer game. Garriott's games encapsulate half my lifetime.
Game nameFirst releasedGarriott's role(s)
Akalabeth: World of Doom1980Game designer & programmer
Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness1981Original conceptor, programmer & graphic artist
Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress1982Game designer
Ultima III: Exodus1983Project director
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar1985Project director
Autoduel1985Programmer & designer
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny1988Designer, writer & programmer
Omega1989Designer
Ultima VI: The False Prophet1990Designer, producer, sound effect worker, writer & voice actor
Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire1990Executive producer
Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams1991Creative director
Ultima: Runes of Virtue1991Creative director
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss1992Director & voice actor
Ultima VII: The Black Gate1992Director & producer
Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue1993Creative assistance & producer
Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle1993Creative director & audio team member
Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed1993Director & voice actor
Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds1993Director & voice actor
Ultima VIII: Pagan1994Producer
Ultima: Runes of Virtue II1994Creative director & additional design
Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion PackCancelledProducer
BioForge1995Executive producer
Ultima Online1997Producer
Ultima Online: The Second Age1998Executive designer
Lineage1998Executive producer
Ultima IX: Ascension1999Director
Lineage II2003Executive producer
City of Heroes2004Executive producer
City of Villains2005Executive management
Tabula Rasa2007Executive producer
Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues2014Executive producer
Akalabeth: World of Doom1980Game designer & programmer
Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness1981Original conceptor, programmer & graphic artist
Ultima II: The Revenge of the Enchantress1982Game designer
Ultima III: Exodus1983Project director
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar1985Project director
Autoduel1985Programmer & designer
Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny1988Designer, writer & programmer
Omega1989Designer
Ultima VI: The False Prophet1990Designer, producer, sound effect worker, writer & voice actor
Worlds of Ultima: The Savage Empire1990Executive producer
Ultima: Worlds of Adventure 2: Martian Dreams1991Creative director
Ultima: Runes of Virtue1991Creative director
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss1992Director & voice actor
Ultima VII: The Black Gate1992Director & producer
Ultima VII: The Forge of Virtue1993Creative assistance & producer
Ultima VII Part Two: Serpent Isle1993Creative director & audio team member
Ultima VII Part Two: The Silver Seed1993Director & voice actor
Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds1993Director & voice actor
Ultima VIII: Pagan1994Producer
Ultima: Runes of Virtue II1994Creative director & additional design
Ultima VIII: The Lost Vale Expansion PackCancelledProducer
BioForge1995Executive producer
Ultima Online1997Producer
Ultima Online: The Second Age1998Executive designer
Lineage1998Executive producer
Ultima IX: Ascension1999Director
Lineage II2003Executive producer
City of Heroes2004Executive producer
City of Villains2005Executive management
Tabula Rasa2007Executive producer
Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues2014Executive producer
Who in the world said that? Most of us are mad because the Kickstarter should be Brad's forte. He should have had a polished page, great design doc, and mass mailings and a plan before he started. He obviously did not. Given Brad's strengths, this should have been a slam dunk.
There isn't a person here who doubts Brad's ability to sell, or connect to people, especially gamers. Our doubts are about him leading a team, and actually rolling out a game. If he flubbed the funding portion, where all he had to do is copy other Kickstarters that fully funded, it raises serious questions about how in the world he'll actually MAKE a game.
The best thing in the world for Brad would be for Garriott to run his game and company, and Brad create the design he wants. It won't happen, but I can dream. Garriott will have a polished, technically sound world. Brad will likely design the game I want. Together they'd create the sandbox, FFA, group centric game of my dreams.
Whidon
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My point is since the mid 90s hes produced one good game. 98% of his qualifications rides on games that are nothing like whats become expected over the past 15 years. Even UO was essentially an online version of the old Ultima games.
How much influence did he have on lineage/city of heroes? I don't recall him being a big dev for those but maybe I am wrong.
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This is moral debate about kickstarter that many people have, it started getting attention with people like Zach Braff, and other celebrities started using kickstarter to fund projects.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...h-i-was-here-1
The question then becomes should kickstarter only be used for the little guy who needs crowdsourcing, or should anyone be able to use it even people with deep pockets and connections the little guy could never hope to have. Where's the cut off line too? It's ok for McQuiad but not for Garriot?
What will be more interesting and has already happened some is when companies already planning on spending cash on a project come here first to see some extra subsidized cost from the fans. That could get into a pretty big derail though and could probably support it's own thread on the merits and abuses of crowdfunding.
It will get even more interesting as they start looking into the legalities of Equity based Crowdfunding which there are quite a few articles out there now.
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And whats funny is Brad gets shit on for Vanguard, yeah he fucked it up, rushed it, over promised....whatever. But this dude gets a slide for absolutely nothing in the past 20 yrs. Same thing with that Mark Jacobs dude. I remember back when Warhammer took a shit this guy was like the reincarnate of satan himself. And now all of a sudden he is reprieved of his past and people flocking to him like hes the next savior of the genre. All these fucks have fork tongues.