Actually I remember being online when they announced and surpassed 500k concurrent in EQ. There were GM broadcasts that were saying, "Get your friends online! Let's break 500k!" It was right after they implemented the AFK vendor/bazaar stuff.EQ maxxed out at 450,000 subs at it's peak. WoW topped 12 million subs at it's peak, with probably at least 3 million in the west. During the time of EQ the typical stereotype of someone who played EQ (or MMO's in general) was still a basement dweller who had no life. Now the stereotype of someone who plays MMO's is someone in their mid to late 20's who has a steady job.
You're wrong.
I'm not really backing up Graye with this retard fight you two have going on, but if you think SOE hasn't been shitty customer service for the last 15 years, you don't pay attention to them at all. NGE was one big turd they dropped on the star wars nerds. Eq, they lied to their playerbase constantly, put artificial cockblocks in for the raiders and lied about them, designed an expansion in EQ for level 70 but didn't expand the cap, basically told people "fuck off and wait for next expansion, you'll be able to play the current one then!"Uhhhh... Burden of proof is always on the person who makes a claim. That's kinda the basis of our entire modern legal system.
You claim SOE has lied to and back stabbed its customers for a decade, so prove it.
I'll say whatever the fuck I want..You keep saying you know a lot of things. Unless you're working with them, please stop saying that.
Quaid is half retarded though so I wouldn't be to hard on him.I'm not really backing up Graye with this retard fight you two have going on, but if you think SOE hasn't been shitty customer service for the last 15 years, you don't pay attention to them at all. LGE was one big turd they dropped on the star wars nerds. Eq, they lied to their playerbase constantly, put artificial cockblocks in for the raiders and lied about them, designed an expansion in EQ for level 70 but didn't expand the cap, basically told people "fuck off and wait for next expansion, you'll be able to play the current one then!"
Good on them for doing shit right with this current EQ alpha though.
Heh, was literally just bitching (again) about the whole god exp and the unkillable tunat debacle the other day. (Of course brought on by pantheon and landmark).I'm not really backing up Graye with this retard fight you two have going on, but if you think SOE hasn't been shitty customer service for the last 15 years, you don't pay attention to them at all. LGE was one big turd they dropped on the star wars nerds. Eq, they lied to their playerbase constantly, put artificial cockblocks in for the raiders and lied about them, designed an expansion in EQ for level 70 but didn't expand the cap, basically told people "fuck off and wait for next expansion, you'll be able to play the current one then!"
Good on them for doing shit right with this current EQ alpha though.
That was the basis of my original comment (though SOE's BS didn't end nearly as long ago). The people who chastize one group for "blindly following" and forgiving Brad's transgressions, yet they'd white knight for SOE because of EQN/EQNL.EQ: Gates of Discord - February 2004
Star Wars NGE - April 2005
The year is 2014. I realize SOE isn't the shining beacon of gaming development, but at some point things CAN change. It's been almost 10 years since NGE, which is a life-time in video game terms. Yes, they fucked up majorly, and have admitted to it repeatedly.
But if people are willing to forgive/forget Brad for Vanguard, then maybe the team heading up SOE these days could *possibly* be a little different.![]()
they had a demoEver Jane managed to get funded. Maybe they could give Brad some tips.
I'll agree with that, but I also find it unfortunate. You get that thrill in high end raiding, sure. But outside of raids, that feeling is gone from the DIKU genre. And at this point you even have to say outside of high end raids because raid finder sure isnt thrilling. In that same vein most recent clones never even had it. In Vanilla WoW and TBC you could also experience it in groups and some other content too. But since then? Blizzard has systematically cut away any kind of thrill from the game and made the treadmill ever more apparent through that, with every expansion since TBC. Maybe arena/bg is thrilling too, never was for me.No, they weren't there foryou. Plenty of people got that same thrill/joy out of beating a raid encounter in WoW. Just because you're a masochist and feel that you should have to constantly get your nuts stomped on randomly, every step of the way, before you can feel a sense of accomplishment, doesn't mean others do. It doesn't cheapen or lessen their enjoyment or sense of accomplishment at all.
That wasn't from anything I said.I'll agree with that, but I also find it unfortunate. You get that thrill in high end raiding, sure. But outside of raids, that feeling is gone from the DIKU genre. And at this point you even have to say outside of high end raids because raid finder sure isnt thrilling. In that same vein most recent clones never even had it. In Vanilla WoW and TBC you could also experience it in groups and some other content too. But since then? Blizzard has systematically cut away any kind of thrill from the game and made the treadmill ever more apparent through that, with every expansion since TBC. Maybe arena/bg is thrilling too, never was for me.
This is another non-update just like all the others. They have given up on the kickstarter otherwise they wouldn't be scurrying around trying to port everything over to the pay to read website, and just like with Vanguard his excuse is the same. Sorry guys I uhh was looking for investors.. derp.. I thought there might be some under the line of blow. About time they polished up some spreadsheets and business plan whatever the fuck that really means. Maybe they should put those things up on the kickstarter they didn't abandon.Brad posted an update.. This is what I was getting at yesterday.. With where he has been. Figured it wouldn't matter so I didn't bother posting the email. I just PMed some interested folks... Carry on!
Creator Visionary Realms, Inc. 11 minutes ago
Hi all. Quick update:
1. We are NOT giving up on kickstarter by any means.
2. We are setting up a comprehensive web site that will include all of the KS info and the ability to pledge or re-pledge. This will launch when the KS campaign ends, whether KS is successful or not.
3. We have already started preparing to reach out to Investors. We are finalizing some spreadsheets and polishing up the Business Plan. This phase has been planned and will also happen whether or not we meet the KS goal.
-Brad