Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Arctic_Slicer_sl said:

The fact that they are adding more team members seems to indicate that they might have found that mythical angel investor; or maybe they are really that ignorant and are doubling down assuming they will still get the money.

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With how short-sighted they've proven to be, thinking solely for the now, not what's next, my guess is they're seeing enough cash come in from subscriptions and people saying they're ready to donate to the private site that they see being able to pay themselves back for the work on the KS and pay for enough staff to man the website (by the sounds of it they had to bring people in to do the website, so 'adding more team members' could really be talking about the people they already owe for the website and forums).

They've run this thing, intellectually, week-to-week, so my guess is that's their typical scope financially. If they can pay the bills this week, then bring more people in because why would next week be any different?

Vandyn_sl said:

I agree with you but some on this forum are never going to agree with this. I think people confuse nostalgia for 'wanting another EQ'. Most of the people playing either EQ progression servers or even P1999 are playing for simply nostalgia reasons. That lasts all of a month at most, tops and then they move on. It again goes to the question 'how big of a pool is there really?' How many of those that would be potentially into something like this would only be due to nostalgia, which in turn wouldn't last long anyway?

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Pantheon DID manage to tap in hugely to the EQ nostalgic people... and wasn't going to be very much like EQ. All they had to do was construct a coherent message and plan to let the game that wasn't going to really be all that much like EQ still seem appealing to the EQ crowd who we know would support it, because deep down they DON'T just want a reskin of EQ, but want to feel like a game is the true successor to EQ, and then also seem appealing to the vanilla WoW crowd, Dark Souls crowd, as well as anyone who hated seeing their shitty games turned shittier by solo-to-max mechanics and item shops.

That's the beauty of a pre-launch KS. You can shape your message to be more than just 'this is the game' but they weren't smart enough to do that. And 'this is the game' proved to be a farce when they showed they didn't have a game, and didn't even know what the game would be.

Not to make little of what Tuco and Draegan do, because there is an honest marketable skillset involved, but I'm pretty sure that if I absolutely HAD to and money was on the line I could self-teach website administration/hardware in fairly short order. It really can't be that much more complicated that running a BBS since that's basically what a message board is.

And I have very little tech background. So how is it that people in the field, with the appropriate background, can't administrate a website? You're not talking about building one from scratch (which, also is something that they should be able to do -- and something that I could not self-teach). You're talking about modifying a pre-built core to suit your need. Yeah, that much I could do.

They should hire me as lead designer. Are you listening, Brad? I'll bring the massively back in massively multiplayer.

Dumar_sl said:

They should hire me as lead designer. Are you listening, Brad? I'll bring the massively back in massively multiplayer.

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They don't want anyone who has recently, and repeatedly subs to WoW anywhere near the design team. Sorry Dumar.

Soygen_sl said:

I think the vast majority of MMO players who were aware of this KS wanted it to succeed, whether they were interested in playing it or not. The genuine "Brad haters" are a small minority. It's just hard to support something so unprofessional from what is supposed to be an "experienced" team. The sad thing is that they will probably churn out some really shitty tech demos and the zealots who are paying to view their private forum will lap it up without a critical voice in the room.

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Haven't you heard? The Brad haters are a widespread pandemic with a secretly public agenda to ruin him because we're still hurt and angry from Vanguard, and Rerolled is the epicenter of that hate and where we formulate our plan to bring him down, and I'm the troll who volunteered to infiltrate well respected fan sites and KS comments to spread our vile, viscous secret agenda. In the words of one counter-spy for the other side, we're all just angry trollers!

I was burned by Vanguard, etc, and was still in for a long time at a solid 630 (I think it was, the 375+ addons) and willing to go up to the 1k range if they'd given an even slightly interesting tier (1k could have gotten me a sword from Kingdom Come if I paid attention earlier!). It's a case of help me help you. They couldn't even do the minimum to let people stay hopeful. That's too scary for me when the only hopeful people remaining are out of their minds delusional fabricating the afore mentioned conspiracy to justify why everyone isn't on board with their hope-train anymore.

The only thing genius in their plans is how many people will pay 5 bucks a month (or more) just to get front row seats to the train wreck that will be going on behind closed doors? It's a tough question I'm struggling with personally atm.

I'm thought to be one of a handful who single-handedly brought down the KS! GO TEAM ME!

Robert Carlisle about 3 hours ago

I didn't even know what kickstarter was. I didn't know about pantheon until someone mentioned it on Vanguard forums. I joined kickstarter just to back this project. I have noticed a few very very vocal negative voices. I think the blame lies with them and I think they couldn't be happier.

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Funny how many people are saying Pantheon just didn't get the word out, and their evidence is often by mentioning how they learned of the project on some utterly obscure website. #logicfail

popsicledeath_sl said:

Funny how many people are saying Pantheon just didn't get the word out, and their evidence is often by mentioning how they learned of the project on some utterly obscure website. #logicfail

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They will latch onto any excuse so long as it doesn't put any blame whatsoever on Brad and his team. In the end this is going to be the fault of the trolls, lack of word of mouth, rerolled etc. Not one of them will put blame where it is actually due.

Crazy isn't it? No one bashes on WoW or its clones more than Dumar, but he probably resubs to it more then most of us. Guy is either full blown retarded, or just likes to hear himself talk.

I quit permanently after early Cata, tried MoP, and resubbed Friday and beat the game in less than two days. Giving them another $15 was a mistake.

And his only defense is "but Vanilla, but TBC." Actually, I'll give him credit. He doesn't defend it. He just undermines every fucking post he makes.

Yes, permanently: meaning no canceling after a month.

Vanilla and TBC were (mostly) good. I've said that many times before, as was early Cataclysm. I survived through WotLK with an overall dislike, but not too terrible a taste in my mouth. It was LFR and dumbing down of all talents, homogenizing every class into the same blob of bullshit that was the big nail in the coffin. That was the final straw. I played a month for MoP and this month, which were both mistakes because the game is a literal fucking joke now, much moreso than it ever was, and the designers at Blizzard should be a-fucking-shamed of themselves.

And I will absolutely continue to call them out on how terrible modern WoW truly is.

Dumar_sl said:

Yes, permanently: meaning no canceling after a month.

Vanilla and TBC were (mostly) good. I've said that many times before, as was early Cataclysm. I survived through WotLK with an overall dislike, but not too terrible a taste in my mouth. It was LFR and dumbing down of all talents, homogenizing every class into the same blob of bullshit that was the big nail in the coffin. That was the final straw. I played a month for MoP and this month, which were both mistakes because the game is a literal fucking joke now, much moreso than it ever was, and the designers at Blizzard should be a-fucking-shamed of themselves.

And I will absolutely continue to call them out on how terrible modern WoW truly is.

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I would have thought you would love WoW. You did after all sell out too. Who else besides a sell out can afford to buy a 4k computer?