Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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The point I'm trying to make badly is that we aren't going to agree on everything, but people throwing a hissy fit that this isn't the game for them and to get out of the thread does zero fucking good. It's a message board, throwing ideas back and forth is part of the fun stuff. Who thehell wants people to agree with everything they say anyway?
Well here's the thing... For years people have been told by some of the people actually posting in this thread that there was no money/interest in a game like this and to stop derailing threads.. Now its centralized and those same people want to come here and basically say the same shit they used to bitch at the old school player about..it's not just a difference in opinion with some.. It's a whole gaming philosophy.
 

Abefroman

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Well here's the thing... For years people have been told by some of the people actually posting in this thread that there was no money/interest in a game like this and to stop derailing threads.. Now its centralized and those same people want to come here and basically say the same shit they used to bitch at the old school player about..it's not just a difference in opinion with some.. It's a whole gaming philosophy.
Well we still don't know about the interest and money part. This is a really small sample size but should be interesting. Those people concentrating here now always did derail threads and now that someone is attacking their precious they are seeing what it's like. The main problem is that it's possible to actually like different kinds of games with different target audiences. The industry needs more damn diversity. The more successful games that there are the better for all of us no matter what type of game you like.
 

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Well we still don't know about the interest and money part. This is a really small sample size but should be interesting. Those people concentrating here now always did derail threads and now that someone is attacking their precious they are seeing what it's like. The main problem is that it's possible to actually like different kinds of games with different target audiences. The industry needs more damn diversity. The more successful games that there are the better for all of us no matter what type of game you like.
You're right.. They do need diversity.. That's why people want this to be an EQ/VG hybrid.. So with that comes some expected features.. It should look more like those game than the new games or even wow.. Which I always disagrees wow and EQ were not close to me..
 

jilena_sl

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How about calling it Embrace Stillness? Instead of FD. And we think of monks as being so in touch with the mystic force underlying the universe that they can bend and manipulate that energy, affecting the minds of weaker willed species. You know, like a boss Jedi. That also explains why the giant cockroach won't eat you when you FD, I mean ES, in front of it.
I'd be happier with that than with FD probably. I'm sure my inability to accept it also reflects on my dislike of the boredom of single pulls. I always found the GIANT CLUSTERFUCK INCOMING GOGO TEAM ENCHANTER pulls to be more entertaining.
 

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I'd be happier with that than with FD probably. I'm sure my inability to accept it also reflects on my dislike of the boredom of single pulls. I always found the GIANT CLUSTERFUCK INCOMING GOGO TEAM ENCHANTER pulls to be more entertaining.
I don't think FD should be as accurate as it was.. I just think it's something that needs to be revisited for situational pulling.. Like I said earlier.. A dungeon should be changing and challenging groups at every turn.. You should never have the perfect group class wise for an entire dungeon. I want our classes to have tools that we can use when we hit a wall inside a dungeon.. Plan a, b and c that is thought of by group input.. Mezz won't work? Ok let's try FD... FD failing? Let's try root and OT add..
 

jilena_sl

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Add this to the list: NO social media integration. Never, EVER. Please.
Seriously. I do not hate twitter, facebook, myspace, google+, whatever gets your dick hard... But I like to keep my gaming habits my dirty little secret and pretend like I don't like shit like this IRL. I am immediately turned off by anything related to any game that forces me to login with facebook, like this page, get your friend to like you liking this page that you liked, give us the name, phone number, and physical address of every person you've ever known who might have electricity so we can market to them, etc etc.

Make an XYZ Game only site where I can post pictures of my cat's asshole or something for fun in game bonuses. Don't make it based on me doing your advertising for you by annoying the shit out of every person I am friends with on facebook.
 

Lost Ranger_sl

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Your right. This isn't the political forums. So please, I'm not doing this here. All I stated was, Ranger didn't appear to like anything about the design, mechanics, or principles of the game that is being discussed. So that's cool! Right? He doesn't have to. So there's really no point in discussion is there? Brad has been very clear on his ideas. It just didn't sound like Ranger would be interested. Its not personal. I don't like WOW. So I don't play it, or comment in the WOW thread. Simple.
There isn't even a game to dislike right now. So how could I appear to not like "anything about the design, mechanics, or principles of the game" on a game that doesn't even exist? We were discussing old mechanics used in Everquest. This game isn't Everquest. Which seems to be something you are confused by. Until there is concrete information available on Pantheon then discussing any and ALL game mechanics is fair game. This happens with every single new MMO that gets announced and people are not going to stop being critical of developers, or their games just because you happen to be excited for this one.
 

Lost Ranger_sl

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Seriously. I do not hate twitter, facebook, myspace, google+, whatever gets your dick hard... But I like to keep my gaming habits my dirty little secret and pretend like I don't like shit like this IRL. I am immediately turned off by anything related to any game that forces me to login with facebook, like this page, get your friend to like you liking this page that you liked, give us the name, phone number, and physical address of every person you've ever known who might have electricity so we can market to them, etc etc.

Make an XYZ Game only site where I can post pictures of my cat's asshole or something for fun in game bonuses. Don't make it based on me doing your advertising for you by annoying the shit out of every person I am friends with on facebook.
I don't like when they offer in game rewards for using social media as well. Titles, and cosmetics because you friended them on facebook is lame.
 

jilena_sl

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The point I'm trying to make badly is that we aren't going to agree on everything, but people throwing a hissy fit that this isn't the game for them and to get out of the thread does zero fucking good. It's a message board, throwing ideas back and forth is part of the fun stuff. Who thehell wants people to agree with everything they say anyway?
lol These are the same people who are currently playing the TESO beta weekend as I type this yelling IT'S BETA as both the excuse for every single flaw in the game and the reason why they should never be mentioned.

I would personally be more pleased by them straight up reskinning EQ1 and releasing it than probably any other possibility imaginable.

That said, from what I've seen the intention is not to rerelease EQ1 but to release a modern game with EQ sensibilities.
 

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In addition to FD, Complete Heal was a pretty big O FUCK WHY WE DO DAT for EQ. l How many expansions worth of content are balanced around this alone?!

Really through Kunark/Velious most of these mechanics were tolerable but over time the gap between some of the classes just got wider and wider. Until eventually as you said the other classes were simply given that mechanic or an equivalent.
CH was a travesty.
 

Merlin_sl

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There isn't even a game to dislike right now. So how could I appear to not like "anything about the design, mechanics, or principles of the game" on a game that doesn't even exist? We were discussing old mechanics used in Everquest. This game isn't Everquest. Which seems to be something you are confused by. Until there is concrete information available on Pantheon then discussing any and ALL game mechanics is fair game. This happens with every single new MMO that gets announced and people are not going to stop being critical of developers, or their games just because you happen to be excited for this one.
That's cool. I got no problems with that response. But the whole, "fuck you, fuck that, eat shit and die" stuff......lets keep that in the political forums. I totally respect your point of view in regards to MMO's and look forward to any opinion you have. In the end, were all gamers here. That's why I joined the FOH forums in the first place.
 

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That's cool. I got no problems with that response. But the whole, "fuck you, fuck that, eat shit and die" stuff......lets keep that in the political forums. I totally respect your point of view in regards to MMO's and look forward to any opinion you have. In the end, were all gamers here. That's why I joined the FOH forums in the first place.
Oh blah blah I'm so hurt. You tried to bully a poster out of the thread. I'm going to put you, or anyone else who does that shit, right in their place every single time. So don't cry sweet prince.
 

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Seriously. I do not hate twitter, facebook, myspace, google+, whatever gets your dick hard... But I like to keep my gaming habits my dirty little secret and pretend like I don't like shit like this IRL. I am immediately turned off by anything related to any game that forces me to login with facebook, like this page, get your friend to like you liking this page that you liked, give us the name, phone number, and physical address of every person you've ever known who might have electricity so we can market to them, etc etc.

Make an XYZ Game only site where I can post pictures of my cat's asshole or something for fun in game bonuses. Don't make it based on me doing your advertising for you by annoying the shit out of every person I am friends with on facebook.
I don't even care who knows what game I'm playing but I also abhor anytime anything wants me to start connecting shit to social media. Make it an option if you must, but allow me to disable it easily (Preferably disable it by default)
 

jilena_sl

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I don't think FD should be as accurate as it was.. I just think it's something that needs to be revisited for situational pulling.. Like I said earlier.. A dungeon should be changing and challenging groups at every turn.. You should never have the perfect group class wise for an entire dungeon. I want our classes to have tools that we can use when we hit a wall inside a dungeon.. Plan a, b and c that is thought of by group input.. Mezz won't work? Ok let's try FD... FD failing? Let's try root and OT add..
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't disagree so much in the end result as I do in the implementation because it's just ultra retarded when I think about it haha. Maybe monks being bad ass ninja mofos can do some sweet ninja kick every 30 seconds that breaks a mobs leg and slows it super super super slow so that it gets to group way after the rest. For a long pull he can further split it up by breaking more legs. Something like that would just seem more SANE (though of course you'll have the fun moments when the monk break's a snake's legs. that'll teach them to kick)
 

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Yeah, I get what you're saying. I don't disagree so much in the end result as I do in the implementation because it's just ultra retarded when I think about it haha. Maybe monks being bad ass ninja mofos can do some sweet ninja kick every 30 seconds that breaks a mobs leg and slows it super super super slow so that it gets to group way after the rest. For a long pull he can further split it up by breaking more legs. Something like that would just seem more SANE (though of course you'll have the fun moments when the monk break's a snake's legs. that'll teach them to kick)
Ha I'm moving on. This is a lot of energy for a class I don't play. My big point is there needs to be lots of utility options that the game is designed around.
 

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I don't even care who knows what game I'm playing but I also abhor anytime anything wants me to start connecting shit to social media. Make it an option if you must, but allow me to disable it easily (Preferably disable it by default)
Even when the APIs are dead simple, its just not something you want developer time/resources going into either. Just about anything else would be more useful. Even as someone who uses Twitter/FB for other reasons - people literally ignore all that spam from games, unless they write bots to respond/answer, and this isn't that style of game (Farmvile, etc). The feature just has no redeeming value. No one is gonna look at your ding level 99 spam and answer back.

The value in social media is exactly what is happening right now - hand crafted discussion.
 

Merlin_sl

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Oh blah blah I'm so hurt. You tried to bully a poster out of the thread. I'm going to put you, or anyone else who does that shit, right in their place every single time. So don't cry sweet prince.
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I guess I'll just post somethings I think are important for own personal enjoyment.

Class diversity: This has been talked about extensively over the last few pages, and I agree with most people. Clerics SHOULD be the best healers, Warriors the best tanks, etc. I played a Beastlord, and I really enjoyed being able to slow, do very good DPS, and even tank once I had enough AAs. Fuck, I used to pull for our PoE groups and shit. Ports are great imo, and spires and boats should return. I really hated the flight system in WoW, and the summoning stone was so fucking stupid. I still remember waiting for my first spire port and getting the item in my inventory. Enjoyed that much more than fucking just flying around, and it seems to have more appeal in a fantasy setting imo.

"Old" mechanics: I really miss things like slowing. I thought it was such a cool thing, personally. Having a slow and not having a slow completely changed the dynamics of the group and how to approach mobs. Shit like this really needs to be reimplemented into modern MMOs. Pulling was a fun mechanic imo, but I do see the problem people are talking about. I'm certain there's a way to fix it, but I personally don't know it lol.

OT/DT: Vanguard were fucking geniuses for this, and I really hope it makes it into Pantheon. Being able to heal as a Shaman while doing damage was an amazing feeling and made healing not as boring. I enjoyed healing in WoW, I won't lie, but Vanguard was easily the best healing experience I've had so far, aside from that fucking bugged isle that did 25% damage to everyone no matter what gear or level you were. I don't remember the name, but fuck you Brad for that shit, it ruined my senior year of high school.



I also hope the KS will have a tier allowing alpha/beta access. I'd really like to participate in the development of this game, finding bugs, discussing balance, talking about the world, etc. I know Brad talked about an extensive beta session, I'm hoping most of us will be allowed access to it considering the community we're talking about here.
 

Tuco

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I second the 'healers doing damage' stuff. In full healing gear with full healing spec if I stopped healing and DPS'd as much as I could I should be able to deal at least 50% the damage of a similarly geared/skilled DPS class. Same goes for tanks.