Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Yeah, I'm hoping for no hell levels. I mean, I remember fondly the feelings I had when finally getting past mine. It was a big accomplishment, but man, it was terrible to go through. I don't have the time, patience, or interest in repeating that experience.
I loved the illusion masks/amulets in EQ. I just wish there were more of them. +1 to having them in Pantheon.
rhinohelix
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It was awesomely fun and unique. It was always a great way to pass the time until my friends/guildies got online. Running around in CS with the wyverns? I didn't mind it at all but anything can get old. One of my worst corpse runs ever was when I lagged out on a kite and ended up dead out in the ocean there. 3 or 4 deaths from a variety of sources (Kelok'dar? whomever was up; must have been early afternoon CST) and a few bone chipped rods later, I had to call my necro friend at work to get his user/pass to two-box summon my corpse at the edge of my sanity, and then got us both killed again running from something through the otter camp, whom I didn't know he had started killing in off hours. Finally folks started showing up to kill the dragon and res-sticked us. I just let several of the corpses lost in the drink go. FU dial-up.
Tuco
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Not as well as a healer/tank/utility should be able to DPS, no. DPS is more ubiquitous so all classes should be able to do it at least poorly. DPS classes shouldn't be able to universally heal, tank, CC and debuff.
Furious
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Well, I played nothing but pvp in EQ and sure it was niche but there was nothing wrong with that. People that argue that pvp needs to be completely balanced are wrong. If Pantheon did a pvp server I would hope that they would just copy and paste the pve server onto a SZ rule set with single item drop.
The best fix for class imbalance was how they did it in eq. Don't balance but limit the max a spell like HT or manaburn could hit for as a percentage of total health.
Build the game for Pve and just copy and paste on a different ruleset server with the clear explanation that the game is built for pve and this is just the way it is.
Besides who here doesn't still admire the people that won the BotB in eq! Rare titles were so cool before everyone got one. Bring that back.
Also, if there is not a pvp server, please allow dueling or a non instanced arena and have a yearly group or team botb.
Pvp in Eq just added another awesome flavor to a great game.
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I would never argue against it, but it was literally like 3 out of around 40 servers at EQ's peak. I think maybe it's a single server now. It was simply never a big part of Everquest, as a whole.
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Furious
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And like I said, build the game for pve. Just let me slash someone if he interrupts my in game marriage.
Still 10% more people and money for no extra resource time!
Also to add, let all npc's be targetable and hypothetically killable. If I accidently press auto attack and slash a Priest of Discord for 3 damage I fully expect to be plowed into the ground.
tad10
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Another vote for targetable NPCs.4 servers
And like I said, build the game for pve. Just let me slash someone if he interrupts my in game marriage.
Still 10% more people and money for no extra resource time!
Also to add, let all npc's be targetable and hypothetically killable. If I accidently press auto attack and slash a Priest of Discord for 3 damage I fully expect to be plowed into the ground.
I wouldn't roll on a PvP server, but I certainly hope you get one, as that means Visionary Realms had a successful kickstarter.
Hoping Brad reads this.
So far I'm loving every thing I'm hearing about Pantheon. I'm finding it hard to contain my excitement and not get my hopes up. This coming after giving up on MMORPGs due to the direction they have been going. That combined with feeling burned on VG, then even more so on EQNext(EQNot). I just haven't wanted anything to do with MMORPGs anymore outside of scratching the itch occasionally playing on EQ emu servers. But Pantheon gives me hope once again.
A lot of the elements I would like to see in Pantheon have been discussed/confirmed to some degree already, but there are a couple things I could mention to help drive home their importance.
First, and honestly most important to me, please make PvE and PvP completely separate to a similar way that was done in EQ1. What I mean is, on a PvE server there should be no battlegrounds/ranked arenas, or any incentive to PvP at all outside of boredom like people did on EQ PvE servers. In wow it drove me nuts playing on what was supposed to be aPvEserver, seeing chat channels spammed with PvP LFG and PvP epeen related chatter. It really made it feel like I wasn't on a PvE server at all, but instead a 50/50 PvE/PvP server. In addition to that, PvP attracts certain type of people. People that are immature, unfriendly, epeen swinging douches. I'm not saying everyone that PvPs is like that, just that thats the bait that attracts those types more the PvE content. I was fond of EQ because of the community, friendliness, and general game focus on working together with people. And such people are counter to that.
I never truly enjoyed my time on WoW, often being only able to last a few months at a time. But one thing that always annoyed me, and actually caused me to quit this last time, was how balancing PvP effected PvE. In my case they nerfed an ability because they deemed it over powered in PvP due to a bunch of people whining about it. In PvE it was perfect and great. Not OP, or UP. Something I was wanted for a long, LONG time. It got nerfed because of PvP, and was made pretty much worthless in PvE. That wasn't the first time that such things have happened on WoWs life span, just most significant to me. Simply PvE and PvP balancing should be separate. Or since I personally have zero interest in PvP, I couldn't care less is PvP balance suffered from PvE balancing, like I kind of think how it was in EQ1. Just not the other way around. But there has to be ways to cater to both crowds.
Next is something I think has been mentioned (combing through this thread now is hard). Please make class roles beyond the holy trinity of boring tank+heal+dps. Crowd control, pullers, buffers, debuffers, etc. Those in EQ were awesome and something I find sorely lacking in other MMOs, instead relegating those tasks to extra abilities of the holy trinity classes. Along with this, please don't follow the WoW "every class has to have DPS capabilities similar in balance to the others". That was horrid. A Cleric or a Pali should NEVER out DPS a same level Wizard or Rogue. Never.
Finally, full Oculus Rift support? =)
Atm I plan to read over the Kickstarter when it launches, then maybe (but most likely) pledge. If you can confirm these things combined with everything else you've said about Pantheon, I'll pledge before even reading.
So far I'm loving every thing I'm hearing about Pantheon. I'm finding it hard to contain my excitement and not get my hopes up. This coming after giving up on MMORPGs due to the direction they have been going. That combined with feeling burned on VG, then even more so on EQNext(EQNot). I just haven't wanted anything to do with MMORPGs anymore outside of scratching the itch occasionally playing on EQ emu servers. But Pantheon gives me hope once again.
A lot of the elements I would like to see in Pantheon have been discussed/confirmed to some degree already, but there are a couple things I could mention to help drive home their importance.
First, and honestly most important to me, please make PvE and PvP completely separate to a similar way that was done in EQ1. What I mean is, on a PvE server there should be no battlegrounds/ranked arenas, or any incentive to PvP at all outside of boredom like people did on EQ PvE servers. In wow it drove me nuts playing on what was supposed to be aPvEserver, seeing chat channels spammed with PvP LFG and PvP epeen related chatter. It really made it feel like I wasn't on a PvE server at all, but instead a 50/50 PvE/PvP server. In addition to that, PvP attracts certain type of people. People that are immature, unfriendly, epeen swinging douches. I'm not saying everyone that PvPs is like that, just that thats the bait that attracts those types more the PvE content. I was fond of EQ because of the community, friendliness, and general game focus on working together with people. And such people are counter to that.
I never truly enjoyed my time on WoW, often being only able to last a few months at a time. But one thing that always annoyed me, and actually caused me to quit this last time, was how balancing PvP effected PvE. In my case they nerfed an ability because they deemed it over powered in PvP due to a bunch of people whining about it. In PvE it was perfect and great. Not OP, or UP. Something I was wanted for a long, LONG time. It got nerfed because of PvP, and was made pretty much worthless in PvE. That wasn't the first time that such things have happened on WoWs life span, just most significant to me. Simply PvE and PvP balancing should be separate. Or since I personally have zero interest in PvP, I couldn't care less is PvP balance suffered from PvE balancing, like I kind of think how it was in EQ1. Just not the other way around. But there has to be ways to cater to both crowds.
Next is something I think has been mentioned (combing through this thread now is hard). Please make class roles beyond the holy trinity of boring tank+heal+dps. Crowd control, pullers, buffers, debuffers, etc. Those in EQ were awesome and something I find sorely lacking in other MMOs, instead relegating those tasks to extra abilities of the holy trinity classes. Along with this, please don't follow the WoW "every class has to have DPS capabilities similar in balance to the others". That was horrid. A Cleric or a Pali should NEVER out DPS a same level Wizard or Rogue. Never.
Finally, full Oculus Rift support? =)
Atm I plan to read over the Kickstarter when it launches, then maybe (but most likely) pledge. If you can confirm these things combined with everything else you've said about Pantheon, I'll pledge before even reading.
tad10
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Why is this guy still here. He's clearly trolling the forum. He's against open dungeons, FD pulling, and now DPS. He's like the anti-Christ of Everquest. How do I put this moron on ignore already?
tad10
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Maybe if Quaid rolls a bard in Pantheon Lost Ranger and TC will let him into their LGTB guild. And oh yes, the B stands for Bard.
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