Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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For fuck sake. Fine.

Aeiouy_sl said:
They have done a ton of stuff wrong but I don't think they were ever trying to mislead people.
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Never said they were trying, but that doesn't mean they didn't via ignorance or incompetence. The first rule of any proposal is to be absolutely clear in your intentions, progress, plans, etc. The second rule is don't let anyone be misled, unless you're really fucking good at it, which I also specifically have stated that I don't think they're doing it intentionally because they aren't any good at it.

Also I am not terribly big on dwelling on the part when you have work ahead. They can certainly create a post mortem once the ks period is over but rehashing what they should have done before does not help them today.
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I believe the work they have ahead is going back and cleaning up what is becoming a train wreck for a game before the train is even out of the station. I think they need to scrap the entire KS front page, and replace it with, basically: We're sorry we got wrapped up in the game, because first we need your help getting to the point we can even comfortable concentrate on the game. We're trying to start a studio to make the games we love, and that you love to play, and until that gets done all the thinking and talking and imagining of our dream game is counterproductive."

I don't know what they said that they tried to make it sound like it was already done. Pretty early we knew they had weekly meetings and working out of a garage.
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Yes, we knew, because we put 2 and 2 together and forced a lot of answers. There is a TON of confusion in the general public on various forums, etc.

And still, they said they've been working on the game for months, when in reality they've been working on figuring out a way to really work on the game. That would have been fine, a selling point even, but instead they let people think GAME GAME GAME GAME GAME GAME because that's all they wanted to talk about when there is no fucking game and we're learning there is barely an outline for the actual game.

They're applying to a restaurant and whether intentional or not, on the first day of construction have a lot of hungry people lined up wondering what's going on.

And I'm bored.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
I can't imagine that being the default for a class. Like I said.
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I'm sorry, but what about this bit of lore makes you think it will be the default for the class?

Tales have been told of the Crusader's magnificence when during intense battles they have been seen to grab a second shield. The Crusader may dual wield shields to protect his group and bash his opponents. Some have their shields turned into dangerous weapons.
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Keep in mind this comes immediately after a description about their ability to use an impressive range of weapons in combat.
 
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popsicledeath_sl said:
Seething hatred? That dude's been pretty level headed in this thread considering what happened. I mean, you'd think Ut or the fucktards on mmorpg.com were the one fired in the parking lot if if you want to talk about seething hatred.

Amazingly, Brad does seem more humble, and is managing to make the same mistakes.
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Yeah, seething hatred probably isn't the right word. More like "justified disgruntlement," perhaps.

Sorry, the hyperbole that so often appears on this board is infectious!
 
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Zefah_sl said:
I'm sorry, but what about this bit of lore makes you think it will be the default for the class?



Keep in mind this comes immediately after a description about their ability to use an impressive range of weapons in combat.
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The part where it says "some have their shields turned into dangerous weapons". That part makes it sound like you have the option to go 24/7 dual wielding shields like the stupidest tank that ever taunted. The fact that they didn't specifically say it would be just a few abilities. Drop the "lorespeak" for a second when writing out a class design and describe a few abilities to help us picture how the class will work.
 
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None of the announced classes seem as interesting as the Blood Mage or Disciple from VG ... which are really the gold standard as best designed classes in an MMO ever to me.
 
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Merlin_sl said:
Well, when Brad states, "We've been working on this for six months", it leads you to believe they would have more then class descriptions like,"A cleric heals and wears plate armor"finished.
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Yeah that is not really an accurate portrayal of how it unfolded but whatever. Like I said the past as it relates to this project is not worth spending much time hashing over.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
None of the announced classes seem as interesting as the Blood Mage or Disciple from VG ... which are really the gold standard as best designed classes in an MMO ever to me.
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lets wait till the cleric description revamp.. I think BM type class is in. They just sucked at explaining it.
 
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Dandai_sl said:
When I was in airborne school in 2004 I was in an internet cafe, and I noticed this guy reading at his computer and I'm like "Wtf?" I poked my head around to see what he was playing and he was tanking SS temple on a fucking warrior. I couldn't help myself - I started cracking up and asked if I could take a picture. I think it got lost in time and hard drive failures, but I will forever remember that fucking warrior reading while tanking raid fights. If that's how you want any of Pantheon's classes to play, fuck you.
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Jumpers hit it!

Edit: seriously though, I was a warrior my whole eq career, and until the later expansions (I stopped after PoP) you didn't need to pay that much attention if you were the raid's main tank - which I was for Ashen Vendetta on Innoruuk for Kunark until I quit after Quarm. I tanked it all and rarely found a situation that wasn't remedied by sliding the mob along the wall so the other melee could hit from behind.

I usually had a ballgame or seinfeld on on the tv near my computer desk.
 
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sunieg, since you doubt the capacity of a person run dual shiekds, i volunteer to do dual shield curls for charity, someone find me two historically accurate tower shields in south florida and pledge reps, with procedes going toward the kickstarter. ill live stream this bitch and brad can wipe the sweat from my brow. itll generate literally tens of views on twitch.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Nobody has ever done it in an MMO and they put no kind of design document out there, no kind of combat information, no concept art, nothing out but it is "on me" for not easily imagining this retarded idea. Got it shill.
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Lol. You need a design document to comprehend how dual shields might work?

You claimed in this thread that you have played EVERY mmog. Yet you can not comprehend how a warrior might use dual shields? Like I said that is on you.
 
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I guess I just have lower expectations, but to me, "working on it since September" does not really mean much when you are starting from zero. It could have just been Brad finding folks who were interested in joining him on this project, doing tests to determine what game engine would be most feasible, going through conceptual stuff and building the lore/universe, creating the initial design document and core principals. That stuff does take time, but is necessary to get a project going. It's not like they've had a full team together for the entire time, have been hard at work on the game, and this is all they have to show for it. At least, I think that isn't the case.
 
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Zefah_sl said:
Convenient that the picture is lost to time.

In my experience, that kind of semi-AFK while playing business was not the norm. Maybe during setup for an encounter, but during the raid? I'm doubtful.
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Challenge accepted.

This is the dark ages before phones had megapixel cameras on them, but you get the idea.

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Tenks_sl said:
None of the announced classes seem as interesting as the Blood Mage or Disciple from VG ... which are really the gold standard as best designed classes in an MMO ever to me.
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Well we just dont know the mechanics behind these classes do we? they are vague descriptions that dont go into great depth as to how they will play.
 
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Aeiouy_sl said:
Lol. You need a design document to comprehend how dual shields might work?

You claimed in this thread that you have played EVERY mmog. Yet you can not comprehend how a warrior might use dual shields? Like I said that is on you.
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Yes. When building an MMO or even just starting a business, you basically need to have conceptualized to the point that everything is in a document. You don't just sit around trying to think shit up and think having had a thought means you have a grasp on reality. That's how we get debacles like Vanguard, and now this.
 
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Dandai_sl said:
Challenge accepted.

This is the dark ages before phones had megapixel cameras on them, but you get the idea.
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Fair enough. I still think you may be embellishing the situation a bit when you say he was reading the book while actually tanking an encounter, but obviously I have no way to prove you wrong. I just can't really imagine that from my experience in EverQuest. Maybe the guy was in Fires of Heaven or Afterlife or something where killing those targets was such routine--such a breeze--that it required no mental effort at all.
 
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Big Flex_sl said:
sunieg, since you doubt the capacity of a person run dual shiekds, i volunteer to do dual shield curls for charity, someone find me two historically accurate tower shields in south florida and pledge reps, with procedes going toward the kickstarter. ill live stream this bitch and brad can wipe the sweat from my brow. itll generate literally tens of views on twitch.
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Now fight somebody with a sword. See who wins. That tank will be tore up and dead on the ground in 3 minutes. Maybe less.
 
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Tenks_sl said:
None of the announced classes seem as interesting as the Blood Mage or Disciple from VG ... which are really the gold standard as best designed classes in an MMO ever to me.
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Yes I'm underwhelmed by the BLP right now. But football swords was gold.
 
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