If I have to start with all the other races, I'm making it a point to come back at max level and kill all the guards & NPCs.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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tad10
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Why? Because Ben said they had already shared all the assets they had? This has nothing to do with them having fleshed out general classes and sub classes
Some of you have miraculously low threshold for comprehension. I realize some people think being close minded and hateful somehow makes one look like they are just challenging and being hard nosed.
Dummies like beercube or whatever said they did not even think about multi paths until they put the crusader up, which is provably wrong.
It is absolutely false that they decided to create multiple paths for classes only when they came up with the crusader.
It would probably serve everyone well to focus your complaining on real things and not on unfounded and essentially irrelevant conspiracies.
zzeris
The Real Benny Johnson
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The guy has had barely over 200 posts in this entire site. 64 posts have not been trolling this thread. 145 either negative posts or posts about other games on this thread. Not one single post in this thread before this could be considered a shit release. Of course he is trolling this thread. There were no early advocate posts. There was no early hope. He's a talentless hack that has said the same thing over and over for weeks and is hoping for anyone to listen to his shit. He's not even a good troll.
He sounds so much like Qwerty it's painful. What do you call a poster smarter than Qwerty and not as bright as Utnayan? Boozecube.
tad10
Elisha Dushku
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That's the thing. I absolutely believe that subscription CAN make more than free to play, obviously, but in order to do that you need a giant base of customers who thinks that your game is superior to the competition, since its only the rare gamer that will play two MMOs with subscriptions at the same time. Going free to play for these games was an acknowledgement that, A) their game wasn't as good or better than WoW, and thus didn't have the same level of player retention, and B) that something had to change in order to raise revenues.
It's quite possible that revenues are nowhere near what they were when the game first went free to play, but if these games had stayed subscription only they would have died long ago.
Tad seems to be arguing that it was free to play that killed these games. All I'm saying is that these games died long before they went free to play, and free to play slowed - rather than hastened - their descent.
Mr Creed
Too old for this shit
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His blatant hate aside he has a point, that is exactly what they are doing. However at least they've picked up on the fact that they need to do it and are wrapping the brainstorming from the last months into some kind of design doc. Better late then never I suppose, they certainly paid for it in lost pledges. Also, Friends with no Joey would've tanked.
I would fund/play that. I'm serious.
It is good world design though, which is important for some here (the minority I'm sure). That we dont even know about this question and discuss it on guesswork is caused by their lack of preparation. They have enough idea guys on the team that all the lore and design concept shit could've been in the KS on day 1.
I think all races living together in Happytown is too much of a sacrifice for a good world design. Placescape/Sigil has been referenced here, but Sigil is the Plane of Knowledge. We dont really want PoK or we could go with GW2 style waypoints right away. Which would be ok for a game, but sucks for a world. I think they said the first collisions that shaped the world as it is were centuries ago? Unless all races are just peachy living together one or the other would've moved out even if they sought refuge together. People here are yearning for EQ-style ogres and trolls, that includes roasting dorfs or eating them alive if you lack a fire. I doubt being in a different district is enough to keep races from going to war over that. End result, one side annihilated (no trolls for you!) or moved out and made their own town.
There's no way a 5-10 Million dollar game requiring ongoing development, operations, facilities and customer service costs is getting post-KS funding for a projected 20-50K subs @ $60/copy and $15/month. Especially when that successful KS pre-sold 7K copies.
They don't have a business plan. Just a bunch of ideas and hot air.
I can already imagine Brad's response: "well, we're game designers, not MBAs"
They don't have a business plan. Just a bunch of ideas and hot air.
I can already imagine Brad's response: "well, we're game designers, not MBAs"
jooka
marco esquandolas
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why would I follow another thread to post about the bullshit you post here? Are there some revelations there you aren't quoting here?
How about I just call you dumb and we leave it at that. You think they magically changed one of the crusader sub classes to warrior the night before release of the class because a few people complained about no warrior.
Why you think your position is more reasonable, sensible or logical than the alternative says a lot about you. But go ahead with your half assed experience.
Or just ask Brad if they planned for the warrior to be a sub class of the crusader. I can promise you I am not worried in the least.
tad10
Elisha Dushku
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Let me apologize, because you actually impress me. I'm simply amazed you can type with both hands wrapped so firmly around Aradune's longsword as they have been for the past two hundred pages.
tad10
Elisha Dushku
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You are probably right but I like to think that if the KS gets funded (or if not funded gets above 500k) but nothing happens beyond a pre-alpha that explodes, the fact that the KS got funded will inspire another more organized group to try this again but with organization and actual prep.
I could be wrong, but that's why I'm still pledged and supporting this thing despite my misgivings.
So your illogical conspiracy is based on your extreme hatred and dislike for Brad. I can tell you this there is no chance you dislike brad more than I used to dislike him, no way no how.
All you have seemingly done is come here half cocked and just taken a bunch of cheap shots. Pretty clear you really didn't catch up on the proceedings. At least I had the courtesy to read this entire thread before it started posting.
But keep on believing and get a tin foil hat.
It's not half as impressive as you being able to type with your head up your ass. Give yourself some credit.
Well since the cleric class had sub classes in it and was the first class launched it is pretty easy to see they did not invite the idea for crusaders.
jooka
marco esquandolas
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I'm not your buddy, we may want the same group oriented MMO to be made that I am supporting, but that has nothing to do with you. You are a fucking looney toon in this world, never to be taken seriously. Same as UT.You're no fun buddy, that's too bad
Khane
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Just stop man. Seriously stop. You're questioning our comprehension? Nobody knows if they had it decided that they were going to subclass or if that was a reactionary move. The only people who know that are Brad and his team. You're sitting here pretending you somehow have more knowledge of Brad's garage than the rest of us. You are speculating. Stop trying to pretend you know what you can't actually know. Really... stop.
At this point it is a much further stretch to say they had that all figured out prior to the KS than it is to say they made it up as they went based on how this project has been handled since the KS was put up. Your blind faith is dizzying.
And you know what? It doesn't fucking matter. The concepts for this game are not even close to being finalized and that's fine because we all know that and they are being honest about it. Who gives a shit if that one small piece was already decided upon or if they decided to do it based on community feedback.
Well I am going to go get a big jar of vasoline so my ass doesn't get chapped from all the kissing.