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Kithani
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Just had an Exalt drop in one of my tier 1 maps haha, thinking about trying to trade it for a 6L. I'm playing a firestorm build, should I shoot for Armor + ES base or just pure ES? I wasn't sure how great ES is since it doesn't seem to actually provide mitigation...
Caliane
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ES is far and away the best defense.
Simply put, it protects your life from all sources of damages. It doubles up with elemental resist, and other forms of DR, such as taste of hate, end cry, and what weaknesses it does have are totally eliminated by notable passives ghost reaver and CI.
Like I just made a post on reddit about the Life vs ES talk..
Simply put, it protects your life from all sources of damages. It doubles up with elemental resist, and other forms of DR, such as taste of hate, end cry, and what weaknesses it does have are totally eliminated by notable passives ghost reaver and CI.
Like I just made a post on reddit about the Life vs ES talk..
Zaphid
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ES is OP only if you mix it with instant regen, which Armor/life can't really pull off, even though IC+end charges come close. Then if you do enough damage, you can simply facetank anything that doesn't oneshot you, because flasks are OP with one particular ascendancy that can keep them up full time, effectively doubling your dps and defense...
Like, if you aren't farming red maps, it doesn't matter. If you are going CI, you want pure ES, however the hybrids are cheaper, since lowlife ES builds need Shav's at some point to not get gibbed by chaos.
Like, if you aren't farming red maps, it doesn't matter. If you are going CI, you want pure ES, however the hybrids are cheaper, since lowlife ES builds need Shav's at some point to not get gibbed by chaos.
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My dumbass noob self got an exalt to drop while running through the game on Cruel and stupidly traded it for 143 Orbs of Fusing to try to five link my Marohi Maul. Had no idea they were worth 64ish Chaos. Didn't get my 5 link and ended up spending around 20 chaos later on for one. Biggest boner move I've made in my short PoE career.
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That isn't a completely fucked up trade really. Depending on the economy fuses generally trade for ~2.5:1c. Looking at the current market 144:1 is a pretty fair trade.
Caliane
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its more of a testament to, buying items is always cheaper then trying to craft yourself.
1exalt=140ish fusing is current player market yeah.
T6 vorici sells 20 fusing for 64 jewelers 1/day.
Player market is 20 fusing for 88 jewelers or so.
Jewelers are 7 for vendoring a 6s.
T6 eleron 20 Jewelers for 32 Alterations.
and 1 jeweler for 2 alts via yeena/etc.
so, 1 exalt is 560 jewelers in players market. would have been 175 fusing via vorici.
I blew all my alts, jewelers and fusings on a 6s chest I have. 100 life, 1900ev. failed. over 250fusings. first 100-150 was going slow in case of 5l. never even got that. later just spam clicked. I think I passed over one or 2 5ls.
1exalt=140ish fusing is current player market yeah.
T6 vorici sells 20 fusing for 64 jewelers 1/day.
Player market is 20 fusing for 88 jewelers or so.
Jewelers are 7 for vendoring a 6s.
T6 eleron 20 Jewelers for 32 Alterations.
and 1 jeweler for 2 alts via yeena/etc.
so, 1 exalt is 560 jewelers in players market. would have been 175 fusing via vorici.
I blew all my alts, jewelers and fusings on a 6s chest I have. 100 life, 1900ev. failed. over 250fusings. first 100-150 was going slow in case of 5l. never even got that. later just spam clicked. I think I passed over one or 2 5ls.
DaliLhama
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There a trick to getting missing maps like do you need to do maps near the maps you are missing or all that matters is the tiers? Like been trying ro get a mud geyser and a handful of other low level maps but they dont want to drop. I know i can buy them but really want to try to find them 1st before resorting to that and also who the fuck can clear Hall of Grandmasters that shit is bullshit.
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Kiroy
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Most builds are based around doing any maps mods so I don't think as many chaos are being dumped into em. Still a lot ya, but not as many as a few seasons ago.
Also, fuck temp chains god damn. I don't get how they push the game into the current high pace meta (which I like), and they leave that in as a map mod. To argue with myself a little, it's probably the biggest chaos sink in the game honestly.
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khalid
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A bit ago I posted some map data and asked for some advice. I had some people on the forums suggest I roll maps differently.
For this set of results, I quad chiseled all maps, alted until pack size, then regaled. I then Invasioned them in the map device. Every boss was killed, all maps cleared to less than 4 mobs. I made sure to have a +2 map discovered before any of these maps were added to the statistics.
My atlas bonus was 95-100% through all these maps (more on this later).
My google sheet that has the data is at:
2.4mapdrops
Tier 11
33 maps total
Average iiq, iir, packsize, Effective Item Quantity
87.6, 26.06, 13.6, 207
Tier: Number dropped
8 5
9 7
10 10
11 18
12 9
13 0
Looking at this, you can see that tier 11's are more than self-sufficient rolled this way. You very often get a +1 and get many pushes, as well as a good chunk of 10s.
Tier 12
39 maps total
iiq, iir, packsize, EIQ
82.38 26.02 14.17 204.15
9 7
10 6
11 8
12 16
13 8
14 1
Still looks like an easily maintainable level, but not as positive as 11s.
Tier 13
30 maps total
Average iiq, iir, packsize, EIQ
89.8, 25.1, 13.36, 215
10 9
11 5
12 7
13 10
14 3
15 0
Definitely not sustainable, in fact not really close to sustainable.
So this data seems to suggest that tier 11-12 are sustainable as long as you are willing to quad-chisel, get a packsize, regal and invasion.
What is shocking to me is how these results seem very consistent with results before the atlas. Even with the supposed 100% bonus, I had 1 +2 map in over 100 maps of t11+. If this bonus is doing something, I'm confused by what. If the bonus worked like my understanding was, then with a 100% bonus, all the drops would have been shifted down. This clearly can't be true, as +1 maps weren't ridiculously rare before. The amount of +2 maps definitely seems way down from previous leagues.
Now maybe I was unlucky, but I think 100 maps over 3 tiers is a decent sample size. So could someone tell me, what in the heck does the atlas bonus do? My guess is virtually nothing, or there is some nerf that is making a 100% bonus replicate the drop results of the past.
For this set of results, I quad chiseled all maps, alted until pack size, then regaled. I then Invasioned them in the map device. Every boss was killed, all maps cleared to less than 4 mobs. I made sure to have a +2 map discovered before any of these maps were added to the statistics.
My atlas bonus was 95-100% through all these maps (more on this later).
My google sheet that has the data is at:
2.4mapdrops
Tier 11
33 maps total
Average iiq, iir, packsize, Effective Item Quantity
87.6, 26.06, 13.6, 207
Tier: Number dropped
8 5
9 7
10 10
11 18
12 9
13 0
Looking at this, you can see that tier 11's are more than self-sufficient rolled this way. You very often get a +1 and get many pushes, as well as a good chunk of 10s.
Tier 12
39 maps total
iiq, iir, packsize, EIQ
82.38 26.02 14.17 204.15
9 7
10 6
11 8
12 16
13 8
14 1
Still looks like an easily maintainable level, but not as positive as 11s.
Tier 13
30 maps total
Average iiq, iir, packsize, EIQ
89.8, 25.1, 13.36, 215
10 9
11 5
12 7
13 10
14 3
15 0
Definitely not sustainable, in fact not really close to sustainable.
So this data seems to suggest that tier 11-12 are sustainable as long as you are willing to quad-chisel, get a packsize, regal and invasion.
What is shocking to me is how these results seem very consistent with results before the atlas. Even with the supposed 100% bonus, I had 1 +2 map in over 100 maps of t11+. If this bonus is doing something, I'm confused by what. If the bonus worked like my understanding was, then with a 100% bonus, all the drops would have been shifted down. This clearly can't be true, as +1 maps weren't ridiculously rare before. The amount of +2 maps definitely seems way down from previous leagues.
Now maybe I was unlucky, but I think 100 maps over 3 tiers is a decent sample size. So could someone tell me, what in the heck does the atlas bonus do? My guess is virtually nothing, or there is some nerf that is making a 100% bonus replicate the drop results of the past.
Kithani
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This league was pretty fun but I can't imagine it will be nearly as fun playing through the Atlas league after league in the future.
At first it seems cool that you can work your way through the Atlas by doing all T1 maps, then all T2 maps, then all T3 maps so on and so forth, but as I got into the mid tiers and above I realized that I was really just grinding all these maps to get my bonus % up before I moved into maps that were actually challenging. In the past (as I understand it) once you started getting higher tier maps you could just move right into them if your character was progressed enough to handle it, but now I feel penalized if I tried to skip a few maps in a certain tier as my bonus % is lower and it seems higher tier maps are balanced around having the bonus % maxed out. Again, pretty fun for this one league but the idea of having to start all over with the Atlas makes it so I'm way less likely to want to try out a new league in the future.
At first it seems cool that you can work your way through the Atlas by doing all T1 maps, then all T2 maps, then all T3 maps so on and so forth, but as I got into the mid tiers and above I realized that I was really just grinding all these maps to get my bonus % up before I moved into maps that were actually challenging. In the past (as I understand it) once you started getting higher tier maps you could just move right into them if your character was progressed enough to handle it, but now I feel penalized if I tried to skip a few maps in a certain tier as my bonus % is lower and it seems higher tier maps are balanced around having the bonus % maxed out. Again, pretty fun for this one league but the idea of having to start all over with the Atlas makes it so I'm way less likely to want to try out a new league in the future.
Caliane
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yeah. the old map system you could get +2 or even more teir maps as drops at any time. so, progression was generally as fast as you could handle. Current system you are locked to +1 at a time. And by all accounts, something seems wrong with the drop system, because even those +1 are not dropping as regularly as they should.
Anyone claiming advancement in the atlas is either buying maps to unlock, or a streamer playing 8hours/day.
Anyone claiming advancement in the atlas is either buying maps to unlock, or a streamer playing 8hours/day.
Kiroy
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Wish they'd increase high level map difficulty and just flat out up the map drops, allow for +2, +3's ect, and let the builds / speed / gearing go at it. The insane amount of trading needing to be done at high levels to convert currency and sustain maps just wears on me.
On the other hand, if they added a trade marketplace like pretty much every other game, I think i'd be good. It wouldn't wear me down so much getting into a maintaining the higher level stuff.
Did get a shavs drop yday which allowed me to finally get my disfavor, so all in all good season for me so far.
On the other hand, if they added a trade marketplace like pretty much every other game, I think i'd be good. It wouldn't wear me down so much getting into a maintaining the higher level stuff.
Did get a shavs drop yday which allowed me to finally get my disfavor, so all in all good season for me so far.