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Korrupt

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Penance said:
Read something that 99 and a half to 100 is the same leng as 1-99 or something which is hilarious. I just don't know if I will roll another character and I need something to do until MHW comes out.
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99 is the 1/2 point XP wise but time wise it feels more like around 98, you're much faster and if you're clearing t16's + influence + sextants its not that bad. Let me know if you get the itch, I can give you t16's and some stuff to get you going.
 
Borzak

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Is there a way on the official trade site to save items, not the search itself - without bookmarking each item?
 
Kythik

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I've only done the fight once. Do you get flask charge during the fight outside of add kills? The add phases alone don't seem like enough unless you've got the fight down to 1.5m.

How do you deal with the possibility of one shots on the life version of the build? It seems there's a non-insignificant chance for you take damage more than your small life total and you don't have enough mana to absorb it due to frenzy constantly sucking it down.

I was also wondering if Inquisitor is better if you're going to play the life-based version(trickster is obviously better if you're just mapping). That 6% base regen is quite good.

Facetank ranger?
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The fight is around 3 mins with the add phases being enough to have zerphi when needed. I do have to be smart about using it and not just blow it on cd . The deaths due to lag always seem to include eating avoidable attacks from both elder and shaper. Inuis didn't feel as good but I hadn't tried U. Elder with the ascendency. The regen requires being on the consecrated ground procs. Lacking logging is such a pain for testing.

Here's the pathfinder video I came across. The build just eats everything using dmg conversion and over capped resists.
 
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Deathwing

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Kythik said:
The fight is around 3 mins with the add phases being enough to have zerphi when needed. I do have to be smart about using it and not just blow it on cd . The deaths due to lag always seem to include eating avoidable attacks from both elder and shaper. Inuis didn't feel as good but I hadn't tried U. Elder with the ascendency. The regen requires being on the consecrated ground procs. Lacking logging is such a pain for testing.

Here's the pathfinder video I came across. The build just eats everything using dmg conversion and over capped resists.
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Obviously the consecrated ground has to be reliable. I haven't tried it either. It's theoretically higher dps.

This is the same reason I prefer the LL or CI versions. 9k ES is more reliable than 4.5k life and whatever mana you might have.

The video is impressive but at the same time kinda boring. The mechanics aren't THAT hard to learn. He seems to sacrifice too much dps for lazy gameplay.
 
Kythik

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Deathwing said:
Obviously the consecrated ground has to be reliable. I haven't tried it either. It's theoretically higher dps.

This is the same reason I prefer the LL or CI versions. 9k ES is more reliable than 4.5k life and whatever mana you might have.

The video is impressive but at the same time kinda boring. The mechanics aren't THAT hard to learn. He seems to sacrifice too much dps for lazy gameplay.
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Personally, I found that the 4.5k life pool had too little room for error. I swapped out the grand spectrums for mana/life jewels and sit around 5.5k hp and mana. I have enough currency to try the LL version but then I wouldn't use a greed's embrace in my MF set. I was doing t16 US in my mf set until I decided to farm a HH--finished it last night. I agree with you on the pathfinder but safe and lazy is good for HC I guess.
 
Kythik

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Not sure if it was mentioned but I saw it discussed in older posts, to see your DPS with an Indigon, creating a flask with 1000% increased spell damage is what most people do. There's this google sheet
 
Deathwing

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Indigon can produce numbers far beyond that. It's simply a function of your effective mana/s, barring extreme factors like letting your mana top up(thus wasting mana regen) because you attack slow or not at all.

Calculating your true APS is much harder.
 
Kythik

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Deathwing said:
Indigon can produce numbers far beyond that. It's simply a function of your effective mana/s, barring extreme factors like letting your mana top up(thus wasting mana regen) because you attack slow or not at all.

Calculating your true APS is much harder.
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True, the spreadsheet has it going over 4000% with the numbers in it. The sheet also gives an idea of the skipped casts. I haven't personally done the flask but I saw it mentioned--the dmg isn't what I'm looking at with this build in pob usually.
 
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Borzak

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I might make an scion the end of this league. I've never done a scion. Looking them up tho so many builds to choose from, unlike some of the other ascendancies.
 
Slaanesh69

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So I've played PoE for years, and always as SSF because that is how I roll - so I have done everything except Shaper, Uber Elder and Uber Atziri. I understand the complexity of setting up that build and the equipment, but watching him just sit there and face tank EVERYTHING, you realize how retarded the endgame design of this game has become. Sure there are more skill based builds out there, but the greatest avenue for success is ultra DPS and leech (and then whatever mitigation you can come up with).

Also, that boy has a potion macro, because there is literally zero delay for all the potion effects. I play my numbers like a rapid-fire piano and you can still see a fraction of delay between potions.
 
Deathwing

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Playing without a potion macro is silly. There's no skill involved, it's just annoying tedium.

Mitigation, for that scenario, is more important. His dps is actually quite low. "Ultra" dps will do that fight in under 2m.
 
Pyros

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Yeah for ultra DPS look at ele hit stuff, where they drop 25% off each boss in like 3shots each, DonTheCrown or whatever has a video of this I think I watched, or maybe it was another guy.

Can also look at cute dog's 2.5k hp uber elder kill with arc trapper. Mind you, obviously not deathless, but he somehow manages to do it which is pretty funny.

The massive mitigation tanks killing bosses slowly isn't really new though, it isn't like a recent poe thing. Even back in the old days you had builds that were made to tank various boss slams and shit. It got worse over time as more and more gear is added that increases max resist and convert damage into elem damage mostly and that's kinda meh but ultimately it's not new, you had for a while the aurora aegis shit, max block max spellblock chars, prenerf kaom 12k health chars, prenerf ES 13k low life shav builds and so on. GGG always has to nerf shit over time once it got too good. Remember when you could perma stun bosses because you had 100%treshold? Or perma freeze them with prolif freezing mine?

But while it looks pretty boring, that's always been PoE's strength imo, the fact that with smart building and enough investment, you can make some really crazy shit that feels like it breaks the game. There's enough depth and freedom on the mechanics to let you do that.
 
Nirgon

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Korrupt said:
He runs without the HH on purpose to show the build....... If you can't afford inspired learnings not sure what to say. I rocked a fucking 5L for the majority of the last 2 chars i leveled to 100 with. You dont need every best item or HH to do anything, i almost never have a HH.
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Ya I almost literally needed nothing from 98 onwards, just self discipline. Even gave away a Tukohama to a pal that I had drop.

The amount of maps and currency I had pile up thru the slog was insane.
 
Slaanesh69

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Okay, you guys are right: to clarify there are 2 avenues to success - ultra dps and leech (with some mitigation) or uber mitigation with as much dps as you can scrape together.

I guess in the back of my mind I did recognize the slower dps as I watched one of the adds take hits for a couple of seconds instead of being instantly melted.

Anyway - I wanted to make a comment on the state of the game as an SSF player: Garbage.

This is, beyond doubt, my favorite game of all time. I sunk 367 days of playtime into EQ in 4 years (25% of my 24/7 life - yeesh) and then some 670 hours much later moloing a shaman through old content - but I think my PoE time is greater than this (join date Sep 2011).

However, I always prefer advancing my build through my own gear drops, as this progression style is more attuned to my endorphin release mechanism.

PoE was riding the knife edge of RNG for drops on the "acceptable" side for the longest time. But the dilution of the affix pool making crafting even more shit, the dilution of the loot tables and whatever else is going on behind the scenes making map sustain retarded as SSF, and the increased reliance of the game on speed has really burned me out.

I may actually be done playing it now. Sadface.
 
Deathwing

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So play trade league. Playing SSF just seems ultra masochistic.

DPS and leech is not a valid combination anymore outside of some very niche builds. Leech is decent to good sustain but you're still going to avoid most stuff.
 
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I'm looking to start playing either Path of Exile or Diablo 3 again (I played a little of both a few years ago). Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on which one is a better play these days. I know D3 has the Blizzard "polish" but I've heard Path of Exile has gotten lots of nice updates recently.
 
Deathwing

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Play D3 if you want to play the same game you played a few years ago + Necros. Not a knock, some people love familiar.

Play PoE if you familiar + tons of updates.
 
Xevy

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D3: turn up music, hold left click, pray you get that item you needed with slightly better rolls. Repeat 1000 times.

PoE: 300 potential builds. Item RNG is real. You have to take care slightly more than D3 because dying sucks past 90. Don't try and wing it b/c your build won't work. Get siqqq items and sell or trade them or use them yourself!

They're very different mindsets. Shroud was talking about how he hates PoE because it's too complex and he's right. That's why a lot of the PoE players love it. There's so much possibility in the game it's crazy. D3 on the other hand is very cookie cutter, but it's easy to get the right items and then be "good". From then it's just easy brainless grinding to get slightly better and climb the GR's. I'm not knocking it. If you had 1 hour to play a day I think D3 would net you more once you hit your ideal gear set and weapon set up. If you want some super deep ARPG with limitless possibilities and items that have so many variations you can't discern if they're good/bad/priceless, PoE is the way to go.
 
Deathwing

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Too complex? Heresy! I'm not going to take that shit from a PUBG streamer!

Yes, it's dauntingly complex. Sometimes needlessly so(I'm looking at you, accuracy and mf). But damn is it satisfying to finally get to that point where you can make your own builds. I think PoE is the reason I've been posting in the gaming funk thread recently.
 
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