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zombiewizardhawk said:
Kingmaker = heartbreaker + soul taker. Not super common drops but up until this league they've been pretty cheap (altho I think soul taker started going up in price last couple leagues). Last time I looked at kingmaker was maybe in beastiary league and it was like a 25c unique, maybe less.

Edit: If soul taker was 10c last league it must've been a price spike when I was looking at it (either still fairly rare or someone made a build with one) cause I think it was like 50-75 but I didn't end up listing it cause I wasn't poor at that point.
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Didn't see poeninja already switched back to standard prices, so those are standard prices. Checked the data dump from Betrayal however and Soul Taker was 2 chaos for most of the league(started at 14), so it's even worse lol.

Antiquary page for soul taker last league:
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Hmm maybe it was delve when I found one. I think it was, actually, and that molten strike + soul eater belt build got a bit of popularity but even 50-75c is dirt cheap for an item these days.

Where does that site pull its data from? It's higher when I filter for delve but it definitely wasn't the first week when I found it. I also don't remember perandus manor shooting up to the prices it has listed for it in betrayal...
 
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zombiewizardhawk said:
Hmm maybe it was delve when I found one. I think it was, actually, and that molten strike + soul eater belt build got a bit of popularity but even 50-75c is dirt cheap for an item these days.

Where does that site pull its data from? It's higher when I filter for delve but it definitely wasn't the first week when I found it.
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It averages prices it can find for a given item, excluding outliers at certain points in time. Did you play HC? Those are SC prices, HC prices are closer to what you're saying.
 
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50-75c would be way too expensive to use in a guardian since you'll occasionally lose it. But under 10 and it's definitely viable.
 
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Xequecal said:
50-75c would be way too expensive to use in a guardian since you'll occasionally lose it. But under 10 and it's definitely viable.
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You don't lose AG that often in casual content, at least if you run other attackable minions(zombies, skeletons etc). You could unsummon the AG when doing stuff that might reliably kill it(various bosses mostly) but for the most part you can kinda ignore it.


Kingmaker is probably going to be the go to for all summoners though, it's really fucking good with the changes. Aoe culling, item rarity, crit multi and fortify, that's a lot of shit. Main concern is the aoe range, not sure how big it is.
 
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dizzie

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They really don't want people getting as deep as they are in the mines.

POB has been updated for 3.6 folks.
 
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Caliane

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yeah, pob out.


Looking at how easy light eater is to get. And the ES leech on heart of ice, fire and thunder.. I'm thinking of dropping the scion totem idea, and go full on CI self casting occultist. Not having to run warlords mark? nice.

Big buff to arcane surge. Big buff to fork. What spells work best with fork? Fireball? buffed aoe essence drain... huh..
Surge on the massively buffed orb of storms should be interesting. More then double its current damage. Which can already clear trash by itself in most cases.

I didnt want to do chaos. and was just saying occultist partially due to elemental es leech.. however, that buffed Essence drain, with fork might be the trick.




Maybe wave of conviction is back on the table. I was concerned with 50% phys, 25% fire, 25% lit.
But there is now 25% phys to lit, and 25% phys to fire in the templar/witch areas. (as well as 5% phy gained as fire, and 5% phys gained as lit in those same nodes)
These do specific SPELLS for conversion.

of note, there is only 10% phys to cold there.
 
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Deathwing said:
Targets that had 80% less curse effectiveness in 3.5 will now have 0.5 * 0.33333 = 16.6666% curse effectiveness in 3.6.
Targets that had 60% less curse effectiveness in 3.5 will now have 0.5 * 0.66666 = 33.3333% curse effectiveness in 3.6.
Targets that had 0% less curse effectiveness in 3.5 will now have 0.5 * 1.00000 = 50.0000% curse effectiveness in 3.6.
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I wonder, does the wording imply that the rare/unique scaling on Temp Chains only apply to gem level? I mean, I guess Enfeeble too, but Enfeeble doesn't get Less Damage from its quality.

80% less target in 3.5, level 20 gem, level 23 quality, level 4 enhance: 0.2 * (29.5 + (23 + 24) * 0.5) = 10.6% less action speed
Same except 3.6: 0.3333 * (14.5 + (23 + 24) * 0.5) = 12.66% less action speed

So, maybe still shit versus bosses, just not shittier? I think the real annoying part is that they made a change and the defensive curses are still shit. I understand why rares had to be added, that's for delve. If temp chains and enfeeble are THAT powerful against bosses, delete them. It's really stupid you can delve deep with curse based characters but can't do bosses.
 
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I definitely want to make a boss killer this time around. Part of me wants to see if you could take the agony crawler/toxic rain build into shadow?
 
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Caeden said:
I definitely want to make a boss killer this time around. Part of me wants to see if you could take the agony crawler/toxic rain build into shadow?
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Occultist rocks with HoAg apparently and you could boss easier with 10k es couldn't you? shadows got little in the way of defences.

Depends on your playstyle and how experienced you are with the mobs.
 
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dizzie said:
Occultist rocks with HoAg apparently and you could boss easier with 10k es couldn't you? shadows got little in the way of defences.

Depends on your playstyle and how experienced you are with the mobs.
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Yeah. You know. I’ve decided it’ll either be HoAg, winter orb or storm brand occultist.
 
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Never played HoA but might go with it for league start. What's the cookie cutter build here? I've seen people play it as Jug/Champ/Glad/Occ/Pathfinder, not sure which to go with.
 
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Caeden said:
I definitely want to make a boss killer this time around. Part of me wants to see if you could take the agony crawler/toxic rain build into shadow?
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Toxic Rain might work, but the build typically uses Rain of Arrows. Toxic Rain is going to have trouble maintaining Virulence, I would imagine.

That aside, I pondered the same question last night since the buffs to Trickster look enticing. Tangent: I'm not sold on Ghost Shroud unless expending shrouds has a small ICD. Anyway, here's what you would miss:
  • Profane Bloom. This makes map clear MUCH better.
  • Uninterruptable ES recharge. This build relies on low start of recharge delay and then a ton of actual recharge as its sustain. You can supplement it with some ES on hit from a Watcher's Eye, but it's not going to be enough to be your primary mode of sustain on bosses. Trickster does get some nice on kill sustain, but I'm not actually sure that triggers from minion kills.
  • ES regen while mapping. Sometimes you just take a bunch of damage that it continuously interrupts your start of recharge. Up to 30% ES regen is a good backup. Some builds use this as their primary sustain.
  • Stun immunity. Again, I don't like Ghost Shrouds completely. Get hit 3 times quickly, hey, now you're a sitting duck for stuns. And fuck Kaom's Roots.
The rest, for both ascendencies, is unimportant "more better" stats essentially. I just couldn't find a way to completely replace the above in other ascendencies.
 
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Derkon said:
Never played HoA but might go with it for league start. What's the cookie cutter build here? I've seen people play it as Jug/Champ/Glad/Occ/Pathfinder, not sure which to go with.
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LachiusTZ said:
No HoAg Nerf?
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That's the cookie cutter, not updated yet, but should be enough.

HoAg itself has not been directly touched. Indirect buff via Convocation(I wouldn't even play the build without this change) and indirect nerf via changes to curses.
 
Caeden

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Well, I meant rain of arrows. I had looked at the toxic rain build that was popular wirh pathfinders last league and also moving it to trickster.

Ultimately, occultist just looks so strong for any clear skill to start. Just pick which style you want to play.
 
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The main Arc totem Hiero guide got updated with a new POB and stuff. Guy is thinking Freezing Pulse totem could be quite good. Thinking of giving that a go for the first character.

I haven't played a trapper before and those Ice Trap buffs looked pretty big. Might try that as a 2nd char (would go with league start but no guide that I could find, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to build it myself!).

Question: When does the patch actually go live? I know the league starts 12pst Friday but not sure when the update happens.
 
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Derkon said:
Cool, may go with this. Wonder how this plays w/o Quill Rain for a league start though.
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I gave this a bit more thought. Gladiator might be tankier, obviously so on bosses, but melee. EE has a guide on that if you're interested, and you'd have to play molten strike again.
 
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