Promotion / Relocation

Aevian

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Wanted to get people's opinions/thoughts on this as I'm in a situation that I haven't been in before. Wasn't sure if I should have put this in the thread about asking for a raise or not, please move it if it should be merged.

I currently work as the operations director of an occupational health clinic. We see anywhere from 120 to about 230 patients a day. It's not a job that requires a very specialized, rare skillset, however in my company, it is a position that does see a good amount of turnover. I've also been fairly successful in my 20 months in the company. The company is a fairly large company with just under 400 clinics across the country. I started at one of our lower volume clinics, about 6 months in, the highest volume location within our market came open and they asked me to run both clinics until they could get a replacement for me at the first location.

My boss is responsible for both the metros in Oklahoma, that being Oklahoma City, where we both live, and Tulsa. Recently a director a clinic in Tulsa resigned and they are hoping to replace her by creating a position for me. She would focus more on OKC and I would be running my clinic in Tulsa while assisting the others there as well.

In my past, I've worked in retail clothing stores where I was used to receiving promotion offers, but usually at a lower level where relocation costs aren't part of the package. I'm not sure how common that is to get? The other consideration I have is that I've purchased a HUD home, less than a year in it. I would assume any help with me selling my home is extremely rare for a company to do.

I've given raises for my some of my employees, some that are performing above expectations, some to get more in line with our market. Raises under 15% only go thru about 7 people to approve (although I really only a couple of people pay attention to it). Raises above 15% have to approval from compensation specialists within our parent company, I think they said a total of 20 people are involved.

Anways, I'd love some information from people who have maybe been in similar situations. How much wiggle room is there in salary for promotions? Should I be looking for roughly 20%? Are relocation packages common with promotions? I'm also concerned about how I have a few months in my home before I can sell, is that something worth discussing in negotiations without sounding money grubby? Any thoughts appreciated.
 

Palum

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So much of this depends on the details. Every company is different.

There's lots to consider but ultimately you have to be comfortable making the change.
  • Don't accept less than you need for relo.
  • Don't take a raise that's putting you in worse position in the long term (raise vs cost of living or even same lifestyle).
  • Moving is expensive even when you plan it out and have reimbursement.
  • Consider the impact on your personal life.
  • Helping you sell and purchase a new house is not 'exotic' after a point in your career.
  • Don't ignore the fact that a company is paying for you to move to a new place. Can be very exciting.
  • Keep in mind that they are investing in you, but don't ignore the 'writing on the wall' if you don't see longevity. Too much is at stake to not have an assured position for at least some period of time.
 

nate_sl

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I work at MegaCorp and was recently relocated and promoted. Here is my experience:

1. My renter's relocation was $5k cash, which was taxed as normal pay. My coworker owned a home and was not offered owner's relocation (where they appraise and buy your house after it is on the market for a length of time) though it is definitely on the table for more senior positions. My position is one pay grade above entry level professional (I'm a "lead professional").

2. Moving away from home was more emotionally taxing than expected. I'm late twenties and single and haven't met a lot of new people in my month here. I miss my ex gf and friends back home more than I thought I would.

3. It was pitched to me as a "great opportunity" for further career advancement, so I low balled myself on salary. They ended up offering 10% more than I asked for. Now that I'm in the position I can tell my coworkers in the same role make significantly more than me. Lesson learned - don't low ball yourself.

4. I gave up a mediocre paying job, that I hated, with little opportunity for advancement, but with significant payed time off. My current job pays well, has good advancement opportunities, and has very little time off. I hate my work even more. Don't be too quick to give up a happy life for a little more money and a lot more work.
 

Alex

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Getting down in the dumps after only a month is too hasty. I would call you a bitch, but this is the Grown Up Forum. It took me over six months for SF to start to feel like home. I've been here over three years and I now relate to it far more than Ohio. Starting your circle of friends over from scratch sucks hard. It really does. You go through a lot of different friends until you find people you can relate to. There are a lot of no-plan, lonely weekend nights. But go out and get active in some things. I joined some co-ed sports leagues where we go together and played kickball and softball and stuff. It was really an excuse to get together and drink. I'm still friends with 3-4 people from that. You'll find that it's way better for your personality in the long run. I'm far more approachable and friendly than I ever was before I moved here because I had to go through that. Moving to a strange place where you know no one is a great experience and I highly suggest it.

I know that doesn't have much to do with Aevian's problem, but I had to say what's what to nate.
 

nate_sl

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Ehh I didn't say I expected to have a thriving social life after a month, just commenting that it was more difficult to leave behind my old friends than I anticipated. If that makes me a bitch, so be it. I tried to give the OP some counter points to what appears at face value to be an "obvious" jump, similar to what mine was. It's really exciting getting a new job, pay raise, and moving but the more mundane side of things will be a lot longer than the exciting transition period. Just something to think about.
 

The Master

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This is why I love being a dancer. I've experienced the "move to a new place, know no one" almost a dozen times in my life and not having any friends lasted about a week. Dance communities are super friendly, have a wide array of types of people, and are pretty much instantly welcoming. For anyone under about 40 the best two to learn are Salsa and Bachata.
 

Alex

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Almost any artist community is like that. It's pretty easy to meet people in musician circles too. A lot of musicians are busted ass broke, shady people though.
 

Ortega

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Looks like living in Tulsa is pretty cheap compared to the national average (google it). I would just make sure to negotiate a raise you're happy with. Don't let them feed you crap about anything over 20% requires to much approval or whatever. If it's important to them they will get it done. Moving is a major pain in the ass especially since you have to rent out/sell your existing home, and honestly how much more can you move up from Clinic manager? I'm assuming either a regional director type position or corporate executive, so you may be stuck at whatever rate you negotiate for a while since it's fairly hard to get a raise without a title change.
 

Heylel

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Make sure that your home doesn't become an albatross. There needs to be a clause about a buyout offer or you could end up paying a bunch of money out of pocket to support the mortgage. A friend of mine went through something similar and moved across the country. He worked in a relatively low level management position, was a good worker and earned a shot, but he had a home sitting empty. At the time, he couldn't even afford the mortgage plus utilities on his own, so he was living on my couch. His company picked up the home as part of relocating him to Colorado, which was a huge weight off his finances. It has worked out very well for him.

Not every relocation is going to be like that, so make sure you know what your actual costs are going to be. Picking up and moving is always more expensive than it sounds.
 

Gravy

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Looks like living in Tulsa is pretty cheap compared to the national average
That's because Tulsa sucks, man. I'd say all of Oklahoma sucks, but OKC is definitely the pick of the litter.

$5K should be a reasonable relocate fee, and if you can get them to help buy your existing home, that would be great.

Go visit Tulsa if you haven't already before you move/take the job.
 

Aevian

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Looks like living in Tulsa is pretty cheap compared to the national average (google it). I would just make sure to negotiate a raise you're happy with. Don't let them feed you crap about anything over 20% requires to much approval or whatever. If it's important to them they will get it done. Moving is a major pain in the ass especially since you have to rent out/sell your existing home, and honestly how much more can you move up from Clinic manager? I'm assuming either a regional director type position or corporate executive, so you may be stuck at whatever rate you negotiate for a while since it's fairly hard to get a raise without a title change.
Yeah essentially, I go from managing one clinic, to helping my area manage her area by keeping tabs on 2-3 sites. Then eventually get my own area or take her spot if she were to leave. At some point, I would consider going into corporate by doing learning consultant, process development, etc.

One thing that I debated is if I can negotiate on helping manage Tulsa from OKC. I'd be more than willing to drive to Tulsa once or twice a week to get shit done but stay in OKC. Out of all the directors in Oklahoma City, I'm the only one who isn't married with kids. I think they just expect me to be relocatable since when I initially interviewed for the company, I was interested in both Tulsa and Oklahoma City. Because they approached me about this position, would it be crazy to think I have some sort of leverage in negotiating the terms of this position?

I actually went to high school in Tulsa. I did end up back in Tulsa for work for a couple of years after college and didn't really enjoy my time there. I much prefer living.
 

Palum

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Because they approached me about this position, would it be crazy to think I have some sort of leverage in negotiating the terms of this position?
Only if you enjoy playing lottery with your life and getting whatever other people give you...
 

Borzak

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I can't help on the promotion and pay end. There are only a handful of people that could take over my job tomorrow if needed. By a handful I mean 3-4 people and my dad is one of them. However I have relocated twice. I like being paid a lump sum rather than reimbursment, but maybe that's just me. I would rather find a mover and move and pay it out of the lump sum than submit invoices for reimbursement. If you go that route get prices ahead of time and then double it or whatever and give them that figure.
 

Kedwyn

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Talk to them and see what they are going to give you. There is no hard and fast rule of getting X% for this or that.

In addition, check the IRS rules regarding move and costs to move. Even if your company takes taxes out you can still get that tax money back when you file if you meet the rules.